Not sure if this should bring under classic instead, but as inspired by the thread of boxers evolving era and being better today then before, I also had a thought. The genesis of the other thread seems to be with todays fighters are stronger, faster, bigger, more athletic, has much more technology, science, and nutritional advantages thus >>>>>> older fighters. At the same time though, I believe that if those old folks fighters got those same privileges with nutrition, science and technology they might have the same if not better chances. The general consensus is that the fighters back the was more skilled, higher IQ, and more tactically aware of their ring senses. But what IF we flipped the roles. What if today’s fighters had to fight in the olden days when Ray Robinson fought every other week, 15 rounds, same day weigh in, open weight (not as much of catch weights). Would the Floyds the Mannys the Furys the Canelos and the Wilders have the same success?
It should be obvious to anyone that all of the advantages science have given modern fighters would not have existed back then and should be disregarded. The question to ask is do you think fighters today have the dedication/drive/toughness/will to be champions back then when climbing the ranks was 10x as grueling of a journey as it is today. I say more often than not no I don't think your average fighter today would be competitive back then they just don't have the balls by in large to face that kind of challenge
If today's boxers were born 80 years earlier, and they took up boxing in the 1940s - then some would make it big, while others would fall by the wayside. Just like the actual boxers at the time. Pretty obvious, I would think. And of course, the reverse would be the same: if the fighters from the 40s were born 80 years later, they would not, on average, be different from today's boxers.
Yes, I don't see, how it can be any different. The silly notion that today's boxers are cowards, that couldn't have made it in the old days is just that - silly!
Depends on the fighter, but they'd all find it harder. It's a simple fact that boxing has been watered down by safety precautions and economic advanced which have made life easier for boxers, send their asses back to the 50s and they'll be fighting with less training camps, against the best often, for 15 rounds with harsher stoppages for less money with less 'science' in training methods. Add on to the fact that they're fighting more, there's only one title per weight and only 8 weights, and that it's same day weigh-ins, just makes life even harder for the average boxers. Take Mayweather, send him back to the 40s/50s LW division, and he's fighting the likes of Ike Williams, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Willie Joyce ect. No one goes unscathered through that schedule. Not now, not then, not ever. Canelo won't be making 160 on same day weigh-ins, so that means he's at 175 due to the lack of a SMW division. Which means he's fighting the likes of Archie Moore, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim ect. Does he go through that unscathered? **** no, I'd be surprised if we went through that and ended up with a winning record. Older eras were harder to be successful in, by design. This is a fact.
Anyone post 1980's (pretty much after same day weigh ins / 15 rd fights rules were changed). I would say color TV vs pre color TV but even during Ali's time (70's) when they had some color TV they had some of the same rules so I didn't want to filter them in the most 80's and would count them as pre 80's. Just to clarify my definition of it (although like you said some will think anyone from 2000 on instead).
Then the answer is yes, if we take any top modern fighter after 1980 at his best and take him back with a time machine to lest's say the 1900's, then the modern fighter will pretty much demolish anything in it's path. Only a select few stand a chance against him. But if we take a young version of a modern fighter (basically a kid) and drop him in that era, to train and develop his skills, then it all changes and there's no telling what could happen.
Without a doubt modern fighters would do well. Same day weigh ins just mean fighters would fight at the correct weight. No 15+ pound weight gains between weigh in and fight. Wilder Would do well, because he would be so tall, fast a hits a ton. Manny and Floyd would also do extremely well due to the fact they can move up in weight, so, like I mentioned, same day weigh ins won't be a big deal. Also, both men could go 15 with any problems.
Yeah sure all those mexicans growing up in a country were entire states are controlled by drug cartels that cut peoples head off, and a murder rate that is 1.5 higher then that of the usa when the country had its highest in 1930 or 80s, would not be tough enough. americans are strange, on the one hand every communist country is shitty and poor but not poor enough that people have this magical hunger, so they could prevail in the old days.
Divisions were deeper long ago,, also I was recently watching the Randy Turpin Ray Robinson rematch. This rematch took place only 3 months after their first fight!! Fighters sometimes fought again in weeks not months or years. It was tougher back then.
Lmfao atheletes from communist nation's are groomed from a very young age now and fed supplements in an incubator while they get the good sauce injected into their ass cheeks give me a damn break. Notice I said "by in large" and I stand by that. If you grew up in the Twitter era chances are your life is a whole lot easier than it would have been if you were born in 1940 that's a fact deal with it
Young american athletes are not on juice of course. Natural and better then the rest. Twitter wasnt even invented when usyk, kova, ggg, canelo etc grew up. Your are such a cliche, unwilling to accept that america sucks in boxing and therefor you create this magical, nostalgic past that you try to underpin with facts that are straight out bs. It just shows how little many americans know about other countrys and how egocentric their view on the world is.