The same people who say Tyson was "shot" vs Douglas in 1990 still think he's got something left?

Jay Bright had though and I'm sure I've read that Kevin Rooney believed Tyson was in safe hands with him.

It was a mere two fights FFS, if Tyson couldn't find it in himself to remember over a decade worth of obsessive training then that shows how weak of a character he was in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe he just mentally wasn't at the races but then there's no guarantee he would have been had Rooney been in the corner.

People can butter it up however they like but getting battered whilst at the peak of your powers by a massive underdog hurts your legacy big time.

 

Rooney was negative about Jay, as far as I know. Bright's credentials and the extent to which he'd learned from Cus were always questioned. And Cus certainly never placed Mike under his care.

"Jay Bright has no boxing knowledge, unless you count quiche-making as a useful quality."
-Kevin Rooney

"When me and Rooney and the main guys were in the house, way before Tyson came, Jay was just this 350-pound guy. He thinks he can make things up and nobody will call him to account. That's wrong. I'm surprised Tyson is allowing this to happen. It's like an insult to Tyson's intelligence that Jay Bright can say he ever trained a fighter in that house. I mean, Jay made quiche. He made blueberry pies."
-Teddy Atlas

"Mike has never respected Bright and Snowell. He respected Kevin."
-Bill Cayton


Two fights or ten, those are skills you have to keep honed. If you're not ticking over properly and preparing yourself correctly, you're playing with fire.

In my opinion, based on what I see vs. Douglas, Mike was a regressed fighter.

 

The only dinosaur Tyson should be punching is the one in this:

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At the 2:30 mark they mention Bright.

My point still stands, Tyson should have had it in him to overcome something like that when it happened quite recent and whilst at the peak of your powers.

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Good find. It's not the most convincing endorsement, though. Looks like he's just putting a positive/diplomatic face on for TV.

What can I say, I believe that if you're not on your P's and Q's and observing your regimen, it only takes one camp to show regression, and Tyson of the Douglas bout looks distinctly less dynamic and creative than the guy I see when I think of peak Tyson. That's just where you and I differ.

 

It's hard to look dynamic when you're being picked off with a stiff jab and hurtful combinations. Nobody had ever put it on Tyson so effectively up to that point.

 

his reactions were starting to dull due to a less than monastic lifestyle

 

If you're not sharp, that jab is likelier to find a home and set you up for combinations. Does you no good to get into the mid-range, either, if you lack the creativity (punch selection, angles) and explosivity to capitalize. His footwork was a pale shadow.

We just have different takes on this one.

 

I don't know, I've just watched the highlights again now. Tyson starts off quite usual but the difference is Buster started off like a dynamo, hitting Mike with hurtful shots right from the get go. I'd say it's a fair assessment to say Mike was hurt from as early as the first or second round. The cumulation of those shots were very telling.

 

That may be so but do you think Douglas lived like a monk during the off season? He walked around like an Elephant Seal FFS. If you're going to give Tyson a pass then you have to be willing to do so for his opponents too.

 

That's an interesting and fair point. I might revisit the bout over the weekend, if I get a chance.

 

complacency is a killer,gotta keep climbing even if no one is in front. As soon as you stop to look around and admire the scenery,someone with more hunger will overtake you.

 

Douglas had more hunger I'll give him that, hence ballooning to 400lb. You don't think let himself go between each and every fight?

 

Look here is Tyson post fight, he makes no excuses and says the better man won.

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WEIRD!!!! THE SAME PEOPLE!!! WHOA!!!!