George Chuvalo vs. Earnie Shavers

But he fought at HW and beat heavyweights. Who cares that he started at MW? Are you calling Holyfield not a HW because he started at lower weight too?

 

Holyfield was a natural cruiser. Not a natural hw but much closer to the hw division. Also evander was 6'2 1/2 and a natural 190-200 pounder. Archie moore in his physical prime in his late 20s was a middle weight and later a lhw. Archie moore never ever was a heavyweight. Janes toney fought also at hw, would you say that he was a heavyweight? Nonsenses.

 

Of course, if you really want to call him differently then he was a MW who fought and beat HWs. So Archie Moore would be a MW who would fight at 190 lbs and beat Shavers.

 

So 70sFan865 thinks that Archie Moore would be a MW who would fight at 190 lbs and beat Shavers

 

True, as he did to many heavyweights.

 

Chuvalo took bombs from better and bombed out better. I reckon his toughness, conditioning and iron fists give the overrated Shavers more than he bargained for.

 

Earnie Shavers couldn't even beat Bernardo Mercado, yet you pick him over Moore?

 

So you are cherry picking fights that shavers lost against heavyweights to make a point against him? Moore lost against aaron wade,jack chase,short hogue,teddy yarosz, johny romero,billy adams?

Archie moore was not a hw, he could make a decent "career" fighting in the "hw " division in a time where the hws were very small and the bigger guys were farmers and tomato cans. He lost by ko against marciano and patterson. I think that shavers did hit much harder than both them. Archie was better but his chin was crappy added to the fact he was much smaller and shavers did hit extremely hard

 

This is not true, at all.

Both much better fighters than Shavers.

But ability to land punches is much more important than raw power. Sometimes I think that all people look at is power/speed/chin and they completely forget about things that are extremely important in boxing. Moore fought and beat very powerful punchers because he was great defensive fighter, was smarter than them and could set up his attack better.

That's also not true.

 

I look at a fighters wins and losses, especially in his prime. You'll find it's quite telling.

Yeah, and? 3 of those are wonderful fighters and he beat two (off the top of my head, probably all of them) in rematches. I fail to see how this proves your point.

Archie Moore was 180 in his best HW performance and it was against a guy the same size as Shavers. Valdez was not a farmer or a can. He was actually the #1 contender when Moore beat him, and would probably beat Shavers himself.

You know Archie was 38+ for both of those fights? That's hardly a prime Moore.

What? Hahahaha hahahaha

A much smaller guy who beat guys the same size as Shavers.

And yet failed to KO a guy who Leon Spinks KOed. And a guy who Willie Moore KOed. And a guy who Jeff Merrit KOed. And a guy who Bob Foster KOed (a guy smaller than Moore) and was knocked out by a guy who was known for little more than hurting Holmes' hands.

Everyone knew that Shavers wasn't a high level fighter, it's some kind of hoax that he's been built up as one in retrospect.