My opinion about prime Holmes vs Prime Tyson

Yes without doubt style's makes fights.

I rate Holmes higher p4p than Tyson but his footwork definitely was slow compared to Ali.

This would give prime Mike more chance of catching Holmes which we have seen throughout the years.

Holmes had more heart than Tyson but anyone that can't move great is having issues with Mike.

Gun to head I would still choose prime Holmes but it a very close and competitive fight indeed.

Another argument is when you stand up to Tyson or anyone that fought back with belief could beat him. This would certainly be the case with Larry Holmes.

 

I think prime Holmes wins a decision with a few scary moments en route

 

Tyson wins hands down. He beats any Ali type fighter, including Ali himself.

 

What about the time where he fought an Ali type fighter, and lost?

 

Which one ?

 

Douglas?

 

Would be a dramatic fight for sure, I can see Holmes getting knocked down early and really struggling to keep himself from being counted out!
A mixture of heart and sheer pride keep him getting up. Tyson of course does his dammed hardest to finish him but just can't seem to keep him down. By the time the fight s moved in to the second half, we'd be seeing a different Tyson, less head movement, getting tied up and seemingly reluctant to fight himself out. Holmes Jab comes in to play here more frequently and Tyson s finding it impossible to escape from.
The end when it comes would be a series of jabs followed by hard vicious rights that drop Tyson flat on his back.
One of, if not the hardest winning fight s of Larry Holmes career, imo.

 

First of all, Tyson was not in his prime.
Second of all, Douglas was not exactly Ali. Douglas hit harder than Ali and had better fundamentals.

 

Stop being delusional, Holmes stands no chance.
When comparing Tyson to other ATG's, all you Tyson haters say the same garbage regarding how he might loose: that his opponents weather the storm in the first half, then they come back to beat a tired and frustrated Tyson in the second. It's utter GARBAGE.
Tyson beats most in the first 5 rounds. And if it goes the distance, he outpoints them.
The ATG's that stand a chance of beating him are the really big ones, that have good fundamentals, can hit really ****ing hard and have a good chin. Someone like Vitaly Klitschko.

 

Why was Tyson not prime? He'd score his best wins a year later, and was completely fine the year before. Tyson was prime, and was beaten. Just like Joshua was prime for Ruiz 1, Tyson was prime for Douglas. He was slower on his feet than a few years before, and a little less fluid, but that doesn't make him not prime.

And are you actually trying to sell Buster Douglas as better than Ali? Why does Buster hit harder? Who other than Tyson did he stop? I bet they weren't as good as Lyle, Liston or Foreman. Or even Bonavena. And who care if his fundamentals are better? Neither kept their hands up, neither threw conventionally thrown punches.

And for those two minor advantages which Douglas may or may not hold, Ali has clear advantages in hand-speed, foot-speed, chin, know-how, skill, experience, ect ect; Ali was way better than Douglas.

 

He was in his prime

 

Anyone saying that either of these two stand 'no chance' against the other shouldn't be taken too seriously. There's a wealth of evidence on both sides to support either man coming out on top. Personally I find Holmes-Tyson one of the most difficult Heavyweight hypotheticals to call.

 

It's not being delusional, as much as I like to watch Tyson fight I don't see him beating Holmes. Larry faced all styles in his time and beat more or less em all. Stopped once, which is a great achievement by Tyson but so much against Holmes at the time.