How different would 160-168 look right now if Pirog never retired?

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  1. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    When I think of wasted talent, from recent times, I think of Dmitry Pirog.

    An incredibly skilled boxer, who was destined for great heights, destroyed by injurys.

    He had a short lived career, at only 20 fights, though he did manage modest success.
    In his 16th pro fight he challenged an incredibly promising up and comer, who would go onto become an outstanding contender, for the vacant WBO belt.
    Pirog was a 3-1 underdog against Danny Jacobs, but after a few close rounds it was clear to see, Pirog was no underdog.

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    By the 5th round Pirog had Jacobs all but worked out, and a somewhat controversial TKO was scored by Dmitry.


    "The Grandmaster" had just taken out America's golden boy, and there was clamour for him to fight a big name.

    He made three convincing, if somewhat hard fought, title defenses.
    Now was the time for a big fight.
    The name on the horizon?
    Gennadiy Golovkin


    GGG was yet to have his breakout moment, but was very highly regarded, and held the WBA title.
    This was the bout to decide the best at MW, outside of the American continent.

    Unfortunately for Pirog, and all boxing fans worldwide, though contracts were signed the fight would never take place.

    Pirog suffered a ruptured disc in his back whilst training for the bout, and would never truly recover, forcing him into an early retirement.
    A tragedy.


    My questions to the forum are?
    How different would the division look today?
    How would have he fared against GGGs opposition?

    How well would he have done against the likes of GGG, Canelo, Sergio Martinez, Peter Quillin, Felix Sturm, Cotto, Billy Joe and Andrade?
     
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  2. Pakkuman

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    Golovkin-Pirog is one of the greatest fights to never happen.
     
  3. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    Couldn't agree more.

    How do you think it would've gone?
     
  4. Pakkuman

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    I think Golovkin would have worn him down in a tactical, but violent affair to a TKO win.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Everyone would have one extra loss. :deal:
     
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  6. DrederickTatum

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    Do you think he would've beaten GGG when they were scheduled to fight?
     
  7. Badbot

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    I think Golovkin would have likely smashed Pirog.
    A loss would have certainly sent Pirog back to Russia into relative obscurity.
    Look what happened after Pirog beat Jacobs... Nothing. No one really cared about him. Golovkin was his ticket back to mainstream boxing.
     
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  8. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    That's not really a fair comment though.
    He was in obscurity and pretty much unknown to American fans, before the Jacobs fight too.
    He absolutely was never in "mainstream boxing.", he was an outsider, like most Russian fighters.

    Even more relevant is that GGG was still a relatively obscure figure at that point.
    IIRC the Pirog fight was set to be his debut on a major TV network.
     
  9. Badbot

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    Well yea, that was my point, that he would have likely ended back in obscurity if Golovkin had beaten him.
    And like you said, even a win over Jacobs didn't do the trick for Pirog.

    Boxing is a ruthless business. You can be the best in the world and barely anyone will give a ****.
    And then one can be an absolute nobody and sell 20k tickets in his hometown.
     
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  10. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    I tend to disagree.
    Jacobs wasn't thrown into obscurity after the loss against Pirog, a lesser rated fighter than GGG, he want on to be a consistent contender, one who happened to give GGG probably the toughest fight he had up till that point.
    Why would it be different for Pirog?

    It got people talking about a potential matchup between him and GGG?
    Surely that's something?

    Bare in mind that Danny Jacobs was also unknown to most casual boxing fans in 2010, he was just a very good prospect.

    Couldn't agree more.
     
  11. African Cobra

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    I suspect he would have beat GGG. He would also have beaten Cotto I suspect as he may have been to big for Miguel. Depends what version of Sergio Martinez. I think he beat Quillin and Sturm but struggles with Canelo , BJS and Andrade stylistically. Would have titanic battle with Chris Eubank Jr and Jermall Charlo.
     
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  12. AwardedSteak863

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    Pirog definitely had the goods. Excellent fighter that really didn't fight like other Eastern European dudes. I would have loved to have seen him and GGG fight. I lean towards the steady pressure and power of GGG but I think Pirog with his outstanding defensive ability and counterpuncher make it interesting.

    Pirog was a tall lean guy that would have filled out nicely as a 168 pounder. Lots of interesting match ups for him.
     
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  13. DrederickTatum

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    I think I agree, when you look at the problems Kassim Ouma caused him in 2011 with pure boxing, it's not hard to imagine a much better technician, who's defense is on another planet to Ouma's, would surely go the distance and give GGG a much tougher night.
    Plus the Ouma stoppage is a little sketchy.

    I actually think he would've had a lot of trouble with Cotto, but I still fancy him.
    Post 2012 Martinez is the Martinez in question, I think he was past it by this point, and Pirog would take it.

    My crazy take for you:
    I think he would've beaten Canelo with ease.

    Bjs and Andrades movement would definitely be a tough match up stylistically.

    Eubank jr and Charlo, I think I can see why you would say they would be wars.
    There would be a ridiculous punch output from both men, because Pirog likes to stay in range, but I think he'd take almost every round in a competitive looking fight against both men.
     
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  14. African Cobra

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    The thing about Canelo which must not ever be underrated is he has a high Ring IQ. Canelo can make adjustments during the course of a fight so I am not certain he beats Canelo with ease.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    Didn't see this before, but I think he would've won yeah. Depending on if he chin was elite, which it looked.
     
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