Worse chin, Joshua or Wilder?

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    AJ has fought all these fighters am and pro, had Bootleg D mixed in the same kind of company he would've been on the receiving end of at least 7 or 8 KO losses.

    Majidov
    Cammerelle x 2
    Savon
    Nistor
    Dychko
    Zhang
    Kuzmin
    Wallin
    Wlad
    Povetkin
    Whyte
    Ruiz
    Parker
    Takam
    Martin
    Breazeale
    Molina

    All would've KO'd D

    Majidov
    Cammerelle
    Savon
    Nistor
    Wlad
    Povetkin
    Whyte
    Ruiz
    Parker

    All would've stood a very good chance of doing so

    Dychko
    Kuzmin
    Zhang

    Hell, even those D Level no skills scrubs on the bottom of AJ's list of opponents school teacher Molina and NFL reject Breazeale (albeit the later only a little) hurt him and we know that when D tried to mix it up with one of the big boys AJ fought (Wlad) he was, at the very least, dropped x 2 with big gloves and headgear on, wobbled and hurt numerous times, and was in such bad shape after hauling his ass off the canvas from one of those KDs the ref would've waved it off had it been a real fight and this is the most flattering version of events for D.

    Don't forget AJ never hit the canvas in his stoppage loss in the amateurs and Nistor cracked him with a couple of savage full power bombs

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    If Majidov, Cammerelle, Savon or Nistor had detonated on D's mandible like they did on AJ's D would've been stretched out on his front or back.
     
  2. Spongebob south paw pants

    Spongebob south paw pants Active Member Full Member

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    Right your logic is so flawed it's not worth arguing. AG has faced a different level of fighter apart from fury, wilder has had his hand picked opponents his whole career. Wilder has far less boxing ability then fury or Joshua wilders just a one trick pony. But once the third wilder fight is out the way that will be changing.

    See fury winning the AG fight but think it will be much harder fight then wilder was as AG can actually box
     
  3. WildersGlassJaw

    WildersGlassJaw Member Full Member

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    Wilder, and it's not close. Joshua has never hit the canvas against guys like Nichols and Sconiers - or a light-hitter like Fury for that matter.
     
  4. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ most definitely has a stronger chin than Wilder. Took Whyte’s left hook and it only rocked him a little when most guys would have been dropped or sparked like Parker, Chisora or Browne. Took Wlad’s signature punch while he was gassed out and got up to KO him. Also the punishment AJ took while fatigued in rounds 5 and 6 was incredible. Wlad landed the same left hook that sparked Pulev as well while AJ was tired.

    As for Wilder. He was on wobbly legs before the knock down against Fury. He literally couldn’t take Fury’s stiff kronk jabs. He was made to do the jail rock dance from just a left hook from Molina who wouldn’t even be considered a puncher in the cruiserweight division. Was put on Bambi legs and sent into space from just a lazy right hook from Ortiz that had no hip movement or torque behind it. Was dropped by Harold Sconiers a former super middleweight as well.

    I think Wilders chin is average at best, along with very poor punch resistance and weak legs. He’s avoided hard hitting heavyweight his full career due to his suspect chin and not being durable. The Wlad sparring probably told him and his team a lot about how well he takes a shot. That’s why he didn’t fight him or any other top punchers.
     
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  5. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder,pencil neck
     
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  6. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder has the worse chin. just wondering.....has any one actually examined Wilder's chin? I have always thought it was just a sculpting made of silly putty.
     
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  7. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    Why argue/debate with Dubblechin, the guy is clearly a troll or has an agenda. He can't truly believe some of the **** he's put forward. If it was face to face he'd be hard put to keep a straight face with all that dribble coming out.
     
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  8. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I think both of their chins are fine to be honest, not a great deal of difference between them. AJ was buzzed BAD against Ruiz who is not a puncher but it all came from a shot to the temple, same as the shot Fury put Wilder down with. AJ getting buzzed by Whyte's left hook, Povetkin hook and dropped by Wlad's straight right isn't really anything to sneer at. The old as **** ones for Wilder that people bring up were more to do with his even worse footwork\balance back then, IMO. Otherwise the worst condition he's been in was after getting caught with a nice counter by Ortiz, again nothing to really sneer at.

    One thing I'll say is it's worth remembering that Wilder doesn't weigh much for a HW at all, and his defense is generally pretty poor, so he's going to get caught with shots that AJ would likely be able to block.

    Reading through a few pages of this and it seems we're still unable to have sensible discussions about these two fighters without annoying people on both sides dishing out hyperbole.
     
  9. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Bringing up the amateurs and Nicholes made this thread lose all credibility. Yet another Wilder hate thread disguised as a legit boxing question. IIIIIIIII SEEEEEEE YOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You must've forgot. (Go to the three-minute mark or so.)

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    Wilder has the better chin. He's been in 44 pro fights. He's been down once with a punch to the chin ... and he got right up, and floored that guy four times and stopped him.

    Joshua has been on the deck five or six times in only 24 fights.

    It's not really even worth discussing. Wilder clearly has the better chin.
     
  11. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Both don't know how to defend themselves when they get hurt

    AJ regains composure faster physically but takes more time to refill his gas tank

    AJ has proven at least at a high level he can survive and comeback after being badly hurt.

    Wilder's legs have always been a problem, he has hidden when he gets hurt in fights very well his whole pro career. He stiffens up and holds ground but most guys aren't able to push him him back and exploit him when he is hurt. Fury walked through him.

    Wilder seems to get his senses and stamina back faster than AJ but can't recompose himself. his legs fail him.

    If Luis Ortiz wasn't 50 years old he would have been able to stop Wilder late in their fights. He wasn't able to push Wilder back though.
     
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  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder has very thin legs. They do give him problems. (Maybe Foreman can help him with his legs by strapping on a jeep and making Wilder run it up a hill like George did. LOL) He is also usually giving up a LOT of weigh to his opponent, which doesn't help.

    But he clearly has a better chin. The first time Fury hits him on the chin and drops him will be the first time Fury has knocked Wilder down with a punch to the chin.

    Joshua has very strong legs and he's usually the bigger man in the ring when he fights. His problem is his chin (and heart).

    Frankly, I'd rather have the leg problem than the chin and heart problem.
     
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  13. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    The problem with legs is it's a physiological reaction to getting buzzed. Some people just have a hard time getting their legs back. All ties into recovery and punch resistance. Fury is a case of example of someone who can get badly hurt but recover fast and be strong on his legs.
     
  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Wilder, easily. Fury didn't hit WIlder that hard in the 3rd, but look at the results. Instant Spagetti legs.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He punched him pretty damn hard in the back of the head. Not the chin. And he got up. He didn't lay on the ground complaining about being fouled ... or call time out or spit out this mouthpiece to kill time ... like someone else in this thread is prone to do.

    I like to watch Joshua fight. I'm not going to get into a pissing match today.

    But Wilder clearly has the better chin.

    Joshua is a frontrunner. As soon as punches start coming back and he starts to get hit, he starts to panic. To me, the jury is still out whether Joshua is going to become the UK's version of Bruce Seldon. Because Joshua doesn't get hit much, but when he does, the wheels start to come off.

    I still can't believe he called "time out" against Parker when Parker hit him hard like one time. And ref gave him a moment, too. Jesus.