Worse chin, Joshua or Wilder?

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  1. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Been out on your feet from a lazy hook from a tired Ortiz and made to do the jail rock dance from a weak puncher such as Molina proves differently. Have you seen the amateur video of him getting sparked in the Olympics? Even when Joshua was stopped in the amateurs he was still on his feet. Wilders leg turn to Bambi on ice whenever he’s caught clean no joke. The Klitschko sparring no doubt put him off strong punchers. He would have been sleeping if Wlad landed a straight right on him like he did AJ. Not even up for debate that Wilders chin isn’t good it’s bang average(at best).
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've seen everything on him. Okay?

    And he was never SPARKED in the Olympics.

    Wilder has a fine chin. Better than Joshua's.

    Your argument consists of imaginary Olympic fights where Wilder got knocked out that never took place, sparring sessions with Wlad you never saw, and fights where Joshua (not Wilder) got floored and you imagine Wilder wouldn't have gotten up in the same instance.

    Basically, your argument is pure fantasy.

    44 pro fights. 10 successful WBC title defenses. Five-year reign. Stopped once in a bout by the World champ while Wilder was on his feet punching back.

    His chin is fine. Now go back to dreamland. I'm not arguing with crazies today.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Serge says

    ''Don't forget AJ never hit the canvas in his stoppage loss in the amateurs''

    Dubblequim responds with ''you must've forgot'' and with a video of Whyte dropping AJ in their amateur bout, a fight in which Whyte won on points not via stoppage :facepalm:

    The fight I was obviously alluding to was AJ's stoppage loss against Nistor
     
  4. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    I think both their chins are good, not great but good, wouldn't of got as far as they have if not.

    Wilders pro competition is not as strong as AJs so I would give it to AJ by a small margin.
     
  5. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Joshua's chin is more questionable in my book. The Ruiz loss exposed that fully.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

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    Disagree on the competition point. Fury is better than anyone Joshua has fought, hands down. Wilder's fought him twice. Three times this fall.

    Joshua had faced better competition up to 2017 (when he met Wlad). Wilder has faced better competition to date.

    Wilder has been down once with a blow to the chin, and he got up and dropped the guy four times and won. Wilder and Fury had each other down twice. But Fury dropped Wilder with a clubbing shot to the back of the head and body punch.

    Joshua has been down five times at least in only 24 fights. And hasn't faced better competition.

    I agree, both their chins are fine. Wilder's is better, though. Wilder's main problem is his legs. Joshua's main problem is his heart.
     
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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And the loss I was alluding to was Whyte. We're talking chins. Why would you bring up an amateur loss of Joshua's when Joshua didn't get dropped to talk about Joshua's awesome chin? Everyone knows there is footage of him getting dropped and losing in the amateurs in losses, too?

    And why would you bring up amateur losses at all? We're well into both their careers at this point. Wilder's been a pro for 12 freaking years.

    Keep up to speed, short bus.

    Think Anthony Joshua wouldn't have been bowled over by Tyson Fury in February, too? Hell, Joshua would still be attending counseling sessions if he'd been in the ring with Fury in February.
     
  8. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I don't think the long lay off, massive weight loss muscle atrophied Fury is definitely better than long lay off old Wlad. You seem unable to accept that Fury was a cherrypick gone wrong. I have zero doubt that had Fury been seen as a credible threat to him prior to their first fight then that fight would of probably not happened.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You seem not to be able to grasp that Tyson Fury is a better opponent than anyone Joshua has faced. And Wilder's fought him twice. Third time coming up .

    Who has Joshua fought who was better than Tyson Fury? Name him?

    The answer is nobody. Joshua has fought no one better than Tyson Fury. Right?

    Therefore, Wilder has fought better competition. Insult Fury all you like. Insult Wilder all you like. Curse. Moan. Complain. Stomp your feet.

    Tyson Fury is better than anyone Anthony Joshua has fought. And Wilder has fought the WORLD champ twice. Third time this fall.

    Meanwhile, Joshua is fighting the 40-year-old unranked Pulev next. And Joshua fans will still be worried about him going down ... against Pulev. Because they know what kind of chin Joshua has.
     
  10. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    You're unable to look at those fights in the context in which they were taken. You're being deliberately obtuse to make some weird case for Wilder that no-one else is going to buy.

    If you can't look take the condition Fury was in when he schooled Wilder the first time into account then I don't know what to tell you other than you've reached Herol levels of delusion.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

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    Deontay Wilder has had nearly twice as many fights as Joshua, faced better competition than Joshua, and he's been down fewer times than Joshua.

    Deontay Wilder has a better chin than Joshua.

    If Wilder ever goes down more times than Joshua and Joshua ever faces better competition than Wilder, then you can make a case for Joshua having the better chin. And I will agree with you.

    At this point, no.

    There is zero proof he does. Joshua is well on his way to double digit knockdowns, and he hasn't had 25 fights yet.
     
  12. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    You're not going with the twice as many fights argument again are you? Really? Didn't the all the laughter last time make you realise how stupid that argument was? Look at relatively hopeless guys Wilder was fighting deep into his career compared with the unified champion Joshua was in half the time.

    Joshua has more depth to his CV and 3 titles in half the time. He faced a guy Wilder wanted no part of in Wlad.

    You're clowning yourself with that angle.
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    Wilder has faced better competition than Joshua and he's been down fewer times. You can't say or do anything to change that. Sorry.

    The Wlad who Joshua faced in 2017 was better than anyone Wilder had faced up to that point. But it's not 2017 anymore.

    I know you guys want to pretend it's still 2017. I get that. But that was Joshua four knockdowns ago.

    Now, Wilder is facing the much better competition of the two. And he's been down fewer times.

    Rght now, there is nothing to suggest Joshua has a better chin.

    Nothing at all.

    If the situation changes, I'll certainly reconsider.
     
  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    You can make a case for Wilder having the single best opponent in Fury 2. A fight in which he was beaten from pillar to post and not remotely competitive in. The rest of his resume is then much worse than Joshua's when you go down the names and gets worse for Wilder the deeper you go.

    This is now getting too silly for me to bother to keep responding to as whilst you can make a case for Wilder having a better chin than Joshua you're doing an awful job of it. Step up your game here Mr. Chin before Mark Breland opens up an account and throws the towel in for you.
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    I can make a case? (LOL)

    Tyson Fury is better than anyone Joshua has fought. Wilder has fought him twice. He's fighting him again when they return. There's no case to be made. Those are facts.

    Three fights for Wilder with the World Champion. Zero fights with the World Champion for Joshua.

    I know everyone felt Joshua had the better resume when he was fighting Martin and Parker and Wlad YEARS AGO, but it's not YEARS ago anymore.

    I'm going to drag you guys kicking and screaming into present times one of these days.

    Do I have to repeat "it's not 2017 anymore" (or "it's not 2007 anymore and Wilder's not an amateur") in every thread?

    Doesn't the phone or laptop you're on have the year listed?

    Wilder's quality of opposition has improved in recent years. Joshua's has not. Wilder has now faced the better competition.

    Things change. Keep up. It's more entertaining than living in the past.

    Gotta go.