Where does Canelo rank on your all time Mexican fighters list ?

If Canelo had to win on his own terms then you're looking at two losses to Golovkin, a loss to Lara, and minus opening scoring maybe even a loss to Trout.

 

The open scoring which was screwing Trout over in that fight caused Trout to fight a fight he wouldn’t have to fight. Could have easily been heading to defeat.

 

This.

 

He's modern so doesn't qualify for any such list.

 

10th. Below El Finito, Saldivar and Canto.

 

Saunders, and Charlo are trash.

Andrade would be a good win.

If he beat Benavidez at 168, I'd put him a lot higher on my list.

 

Saunders is trash? Based on what

 

Somewhere clearly behind Chucho Castillo, Baby Casanova, Rafael Herrera, Ricardo Lopez, among others (all of whom fall outside of the deep Mexican top ten). No reasonable case for the top ten for him.

Maybe lower end of the top twenty. He's controversially beaten the best fighters he faced sans Mayweather (Golovkin and Lara), Mosley and Kovalev were complete shells of what they once were, and Cotto was in the final stages of a greuling career and won more rounds than he should have against a guy wrongfully viewed by many as a legitimate great. When you look deeper, Jacobs and Trout are nothing to write home about, and the rest of his resume are fiillers against sub-top-shelf fighters.

 

Those are good, solid fighters relative to what’s out there but he’d obviously be juiced facing them while I’m sure they won’t try to juice since the repercussions are more harsh and Canelo likely negotiated some edge whilst knowing he’s won if he sees the final bell. I think he’d need at least one controversial decision to beat that trio and they’d all be close which wouldn’t be that impressive given how lopsided everything t is tipped in his favor.

 

Based on that he's a crappy fighter who's only good for this era.

 

Hes not exactly an ATG but hes not trash either. A fairly solid beltholder

 

When you can't score a really convincing win over a fellow sub-ATG elite, and ALL of your noteworthy dominations are against old fighters at the end of the road or historical mediocrity, it absolutely calls into question whether you're truly an elite historical fighter. It's indicative of some limitations that would significantly cost you against the very best of the best. In Canelo's case - unspectacular stamina, vulnerability to long range jabbers, long rest periods where he doesn't integrate offense and defense simultaneously, low workrate, and front-foot pressuring limitations. Plenty of middleweights do a number on an aging Golovkin. Plenty junior middleweights convincingly beat Lara. Plenty also thrash Cotto. Put him in the 1990s middleweight division and he isn't even on the top ten P4P lists of the day.

It's honestly the same deal with him as Cotto. I think Canelo is better than Cotto overall and much more durable, but you knew when Cotto squeaked past an aging and flat Mosley, he wasn't as good as people were saying; he wasn't some historical welterweight monster.

 

Yeah, the Cotto hype pre-Mosley was pretty crazy. Glad you remember. I thought old man Shane fought him to a draw, honestly.

Prime Mosley would have mopped the floor with Cotto.

 

He's above Barrera and Ricardo Lopez for me. Maybe Morales too. He cracked the top 5.

 

Canelo is closer to the level of Tony Lopez than Ricardo Lopez.

Resume aside, Finito was just light years better.