Floyd's resume.

Not even bashing Manny but looks at Floyd’s resume and look at Manny’s Floyd consistently fights guys coming off big wins and great showing and manny consistently fights guy coming off brutal losses, ugly performances and inactivity Based off that should tell you all you need to know

 

Dude...just tackle what I said please. You are fine w/ one of the fighters dictating as to when testing begins for BOTH guys?

I admitted what!?! Good lord...where, i your head?!?!

 

You’re talking nonsense.

Manny didn’t have an excuse.

Do you know what happened with Morales in 2005?

Manny didn’t have an excuse, he had a legitimate reason.

Yes, Floyd went through full testing with Shane. He had to didn’t he. He had no choice after what he’d said about fighting Manny. He had to back up his words and test his future opponents. He couldn’t back down. So he knew beforehand that whoever he went on to fight he had to do OSDT. He had to make a point of it.

Now this is the 3rd time of asking:

Give me a legitimate reason why he took the 14 days off of the table, when Manny had agreed and the fight could have been negotiated at that point?

You can’t just say that he took it off of the table because he’d gone through it himself. Again that was his own doing.

He could have agreed to the 14 days.

He’d gotten what he wanted.

Give and take.

A compromise.

He didn’t.

He then made the BS flat fee offer.

Taking away the 14 days was moving the goal posts and creating an obstacle.

Making the flat fee offer after Manny had agreed was moving the goal posts and creating an obstacle.

Those are not the actions of a man who wanted to fight.

Arguing about drug testing isn’t embarrassing, when it wasn’t prevalent back then and there were valid circumstances for the issues. Again, context.

Your street analogy also doesn’t stack up, as Floyd slandered Manny and racially abused him.

 

Ortiz was coming off a brutal war with Berto in a fight he was dropped multiple times and was almost stopped.

Maidana was coming off a tough fight with Broner and was badly hurt in the 12th. The story of the fight (Broner getting his ass beat) overshadowed this fact. Maidana said it was his toughest fight.

Cotto fought garbage Foreman, shot-to-smithereens Mayorga, and a badly damaged one-eyed Margarito who was coming in strong as the fight was stopped.


Clenelo lost to Trout in the eyes of many and then he was drained by the catchweight.

Guerrero beat a badly damaged Berto who was in a war with Ortiz, dropped multiple times, and was almost stopped.

Come on, man. Just stop.

 

That’s such BS without applying any context.

You know that.

I have already given you a legit argument.

It just doesn’t suit you agenda.


1. OSDT wasn’t common back then.

Nobody did it. Floyd didn’t do it, none of his opponents did. Manny didn’t do it, none of his opponents did. Floyd had absolutely no interest in it whatsoever, until his father accused Manny of being dirty. Nobody had an issue fighting Manny back then. Nobody. Floyd only started his campaign to ‘clean up the sport’ after his fathers outburst. And that was 13/14 years after Floyd had turned pro.


2. The Morales incident.

In 2005, Manny had blood taken whilst in camp. Yet the sample was somehow misplaced. So they had to go back at the last minute, where he was forced to give another blood sample the day before the fight. They took it and he said he’d felt weakened by it. Both physically and psychologically. He said he felt different and his punches didn’t have the same snap on them. Morales was interviewed afterwards, and he also said that he never felt his power.

Those are your legitimate reasons.

You are trying to paint a picture where everyone was doing OSDT, and then out of the blue, Manny just refused without good reason.

That’s not what happened.

Everything I’ve said is factual and can be backed up.

Without the proper context, your posts don’t carry any weight.

 

You think coming off beating a shot Margarito is better than a win over Clottey? Floyd fought De La Hoya in 2007, De La Hoya was coming off a year off vs Mayorga, prior to that his last fight was in 2004 vs Hopkins. That’s coming off big wins?

Mosley I guess was coming off a big win, even though it was a year prior.

 

The shoulder injury was bogus. Pacquiao changed his story about 5x and he wasn't displaying any sort of pain or hesitation throwing with either hand. He lost the biggest fight of his career and couldn't just take the L.

YOU are on drugs if you think Pacquiao was in there fighting for 12 rounds with a severe shoulder injury that required surgery. You have no room to talk calling any mayweather fan delusional when you type nonsense like this. Do you believe Pacquiao when he says he healed himself swimming in salt water? Or his claim that God told him he'd lose even though prior to that he claimed he won the fight and didn't know what the judges were looking at? No? So You only pick and choose which absurd claims to be live? I mean you're the same guy who buys his bogus fear of needles despite having tattoos so why stop there?

It's called DAMAGE CONTROL and team Pacquiao is apparently not very good at it if those were the best excuses they could come up with. I'm almost shocked that 6 years later grown men are still believing this nonsense.

"He was 36 years old" you guys love repeating this to imply he was washed up without saying it because you know that would be a nonsensical claim. You'd be ignoring the fact Pacquiao looked amazing before AND after the fight. It's also silly to bring up given that Mayweather is more than a year older.

Let's ignore the semantics and arguing over the definition of the word "prime" for a moment. By your own wording, you admit that Pacquiao was

-an elite fighter with world class skill, blinding speed, and stamina.

-a top #3 p4p fighter

-a WBO champion

-ranked top 5 in the other 3 sanctioning bodies if I recall correctly

-had won his last few fights and would go on to win more fights against some of the best ranked opponents in his division

-was the #2 PPV attraction in the world

^All those credentials and you're claiming he wasn't an elite A class win for Mayweather?

If you say yes then sir, YOU are on drugs and we have nothing more to discuss.

And no one here is "desperate" to prop up Mayweather's resume, it speaks for itself. 50-0, deal with it. The greatest defensive boxer of all time with the best punch stats in history, deal with it. Not TBE, but that's enough to place him in the top 50 of all time and certainly above Pacquaio who he humiliated. And he beat most of Pacquiao's best opponents at 147 before he did. You love talking about how "careful" Mayweather managed his career but Pacquuao's entire career was manufactured and calculated. He's the king of rematches and fought in multiple trilogies with guys he had already beaten. He used catchweights and he avoided people who would present stylistic problems. So cut the crap.

 

I would like to know a few more facts in regards to the Morales 1 fight. If Manny was so badly effected by the blood that he felt it was a large part of why he lost. Why is it that when that he didn't bring it up in the post fight interview with Merchant?

If you've had blood taken and felt odd (physically & psychologically), then gone 12 rounds where you are convinced that it is reducing your performance throughout the whole fight.

He mentioned the gloves, which would definitely have an effect on his punches. He also mentioned a cut. Why did he not mention one word of it straight after the fight when interview by Merchant?

A transcript of the interview (edit - after the Morales fight where he brings up the blood testing weakened him issue) "And you know, after they took blood from me. I felt dizzy, the back of my head started hurting. The doctor said to drink a lot of water, but I couldn’t drink water, I couldn’t eat, so I just lied down and had it massaged.” Why leave out such an important detail post fight but yet bring up gloves and the cut? He also mentioned that Morales felt Pac's punches felt weaker.

Now, in the post fight interview for their second bout Pac mentions the gloves, yet he leaves out the fact that they asked Morales to fight at 130 for the second fight after knowing that he was killing himself to make weight at 130 (he fought Raheem at 133). Pac's team also put a 1 million per pound penalty for the bout.

 

speaking on Cotto Mosley and Hoya, you have Hoya coming off a win over the #2 JMW and the WBC Champ seems pretty big.

Speaking on Mosley he was coming off a destructive KO win over the “most feared WW” lol in Margarito and got ducked by Manny earlier that year. He was too good remember until a loss and draw later.
Cotto was coming off a beat down to Margarito and an arguable loss to Clottey after Pacquiao he took his longest break and beat 2 top rated JMWs including a champ and then rematches and beat the guy who may have cheated him.
Cotto in his own words said he never felt right after Margarito I and that it wasn’t until after the rematch after working himself back that he felt the same.

Compare that to fight Morales who in a 5 year period had 1 win and 7 loss
Or Barrera who just had brain surgery?

 

Another thing I find weird about the excuses for the Morales loss, that was their first fight. So, how did Morales somehow know Pacquiao's punches felt weaker and didn't have the usual snap???

 

Don't know what you are talking about.

 

It's bizarre, but I'm sure the usual suspects are already scouring the internet to find something to validate it.

 

Glass City Cobra,

How did he change his story 5 times?

So he didn’t have surgery the following week?

It was a fabrication of the media?

The quotes from the surgeon were also fabricated?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=2ahUKEwirz_D857PpAhW8SEEAHf9SCH4QFjACegQICxAG&url=https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/12837213/manny-pacquiao-undergoes-surgery-torn-right-rotator-cuff&usg=AOvVaw3mx0Rh8AAPOM3n8XUyNlPY

We know he had surgery you fool.

Just stop.

I’ve already posted you the above link, and I’ve already posted you the link where he said that salt water had healed his wound AFTER HIS SURGERY.

How is having a tattoo in his personal life, in any way the same as having blood taken before a professional fight? SMH.

Yeah, the surgery was fake because a Floyd nut says so.

Okay.

Let’s get one thing straight: I haven’t said that Manny was WASHED up.

He was still OBVIOUSLY an elite fighter back then.

Being an elite level fighter and being in your prime, are TWO COMPLETELY different things.

Manny’s PRIME was when he was icing Hatton and bashing up Cotto. Not when he’d slowed down and after he’d been iced by JMM.

Lots of fighters can fight at the highest level past their prime.

Are you going to tell me that Floyd was in his PRIME against Marcos Maidana?

No. Because only an absolute idiot would claim such a thing.


I’m now going to shut you down by showing you YOUR OWN COMMENTS on the subject:

This is what you said a few weeks ago:

Amazing, huh?

That’s not what you said there is it.

You are all over the place.

One minute he’s washed up, the next minute he isn’t.


Let’s see some more of your comments.

Read the following quote:

Now read the following comments from your thread titled: ‘This is the worst welterweight era in history’

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/this-is-the-worst-welterweight-era-in-history.623096/

This is the best one:

Ha!

Make up you mind.


There’s more:

One minute he went on to do amazing things after the Floyd fight, the next minute he’s washed up and only half the fighter he’d been in the past.

You have zero credibility on the subject.

I don’t have to deal with anything.

Floyd was a great fighter with a great resume.

Who did Manny avoid who would have given him stylistic problems?

He fought Floyd and Marg etc.

He’s fought slick guys, huge, tough guys, swarmers, pressure fighters, southpaws and punchers etc.

Yes, he’s used C-W’s. But not like Floyd did in a unification fight.


I have zero respect for you as a poster on this subject.

It’s absolutely cringeworthy watching you trying desperately to convince yourself that Manny was prime when Floyd beat him, just so it enhances Floyd’s win.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that Manny was prime at that point

It’s absolutely pathetic and I’ve just destroyed your argument by using your own comments against you.

You are completely deluded and completely incapable of debating this subject.

 

Boy we are a bit touchy on this subject are we not. It was stupid and a lack of class for Pacquiao to say he had a shoulder injury as an excuse for his comprehensive defeat by Floyd. When you lose a boxing match you congratulate the other guy and make no excuses. It’s because of his lack of grace and excuses Floyd refuses to give him a rematch. As Marlon Starling said in boxing “After every defeat there is an injury”. As Floyd’s grandmother the late Mrs Berniece Mayweather said “Manny needs to apologise to Floyd after talking all that crap before the fight”.

Poor loser and poor sportsmanship by Manny. In fact Manny, Bob Arum, Freddie Roach and Skip Bayless all looked stupid post fight. Even those of us quite fond of Manny lost respect for him that night.

 

Yeah, I remember Floyd’s shoulder injury excuse after he lost to Castillo. I don’t remember any proof of even a medical diagnosis much less a surgery. How classy was that?