In most sports the current guys are better than previous eras, why would boxing be any different?

More stats.

Not even Floyd’s biggest fans on this forum would claim him to be the best WW of all time.

Floyd was a safety first fighter at WW with hand issues.

His prime was in the lower divisions.

If you were a man of intelligence, it would register in your brain that statistics are just recorded pieces of data which don’t provide any context.

If Floyd had fought the same number of fights at WW in the 80’s and 90’s, he WOULD NOT have those same statistics at the weight.

Proclaiming a fighter to be the GOAT at WW based upon CompuBox statistics, is absolutely ridiculous.

Go and start a thread.

I’ll enjoy seeing you being ridiculed.


Regarding your point about SRR, any pro fighter fighting at the highest level knows of him.

Even if they don’t possess knowledge of him, they know who he was.

 

running 8-10 miles everyday is simply not a clever idea. Road work is good for boxing but It is not good to run a distance that takes more then a hour of running time. Recovery is as important as working out. You can not just go out and do more and more everyday, your stamina will decline not increase. Marathon runners also dont have ultimate boxing stamina.
Its far more Effektive to use interval training with running distances from a short sprint to 35 minute running (froch did that). Also fighting so often as the old guys is not going to contribute to your development as an athlete, it destroys your body.
Today we know much more about food then back in the day, we have so many different form of diets such as vegan, keto and so on and fighter can choose which kind of diet fits their needs.
Ultimately i think a lot of the old fighter used to run this and that talk is often a very hard exaggeration. You just destroy your body with 10 mile runs everyday, especially combined with boxing.

 

Mackie Shilstone was doing the above with Micheal Spinks, in 1985.

 

then go count the punches. I didnt say anything about alis punch output, i just said that there are stats to older fighters and if there are no stats go and count them, make it a roundabout.
Yeah floyd is super old school with his 2 fights a year schedule and his personal chef that is traveling with him to prep his meals and all of the pad work he does.

 

Pacquiao runs like 6-8 miles a day same with floyd. Floyd even said on oh drama tv show 2002, that he gets up in the morning, runs 10 miles and chops wood. These 2 were the best of the last 20 years and had the best stamina of the guys around at that time. Seemed to work pretty well. The vid is on youtube btw if you don´t believe me. Oh, and food doesn´t give you boxing skills. Those old school guys eat healthy too, they ate alot of chicken,fish, steak, eggs, vegetables and almost all of them drank tea. All organic back then. I´ve seen a guy like gervonta davis do alot sprints, s&c and things like you are talking about. Still he has garbage stamina. Floyd was trained old school for about 10 years, until his dad went to prison. Floyd used to run with boots and everything.

 

Not true
https://evolve-mma.com/blog/manny-pacquiaos-favorite-exercises-peak-boxing-performance/
30 minutes runs on sparring days and a hour long uphill 8 mile run on non sparring days and he has breaks in between camps. Nothing of the above contradicts anything I said.

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Says he doesnt run for 5-8 miles on a regular, because his body just cant regenerate from that.
Mayweathers camp will always be a little bit of a secret but I could find anything that would suggest everyday long excessive runs that go past a hour.

just go try and do that yourself and see how your body reacts to that and you will know why this is not a clever workout method

 

Yeah now that he is older doesn´t run that much. When he was younger he did. So what does this prove. Pacquiao runs 8 miles, point proven. I haven´t noticed any side affect from running alot. My stamina has improved drastically, thats the only effect. The proof is in the putting, the boxers with best stamina ran that much.

 

I think, you're being a bit hard on ertwin!

Even though he doesn't have your extensive knowledge, he should be able to express his opinion here.

 

Of course but when he says some of the most outrageous stuff, u just can't help it. That crawford would stop robinson in 2 or old school fighters would only last a few rounds with modern fighters. Like c'mon. Or comparing boxing to basketball, football, running etc.

 

what that was 3 years ago. He wasnt really active at this point. No you said 8 miles a DAY which he does not run. And i said over an hour is bad, which again was not done by pacquiao.
So you are telling me that you run 8-10miles a day in addition to your boxing?
And no todays boxers with the best stamina seem to be doing what i was saying, which is running in different variations in under and hour and not 8-10 miles everyday.

 

Yeah of course it is a sport after all. I especially like to compare it to mma where today fighters are just way better then 30 years ago.
Fact is the sport is filled with slaws and latinos and they dont give a damm about any of those old fighters which is in my opinion the reason why they are so successful they are are not bound to an old idealistic glorification of boxing that is not nearly as effective as one might think.

 

Proffesional boxing has been around way longer than mma. Also american fighters don't give a damn about old school fighter either, they all copy mayweather. Tbh those eastern european fighters style remind me much more of old school fighters than americans. The reason americans are not doing as well is because they just copy mayweather and have garbage trainers who only know how to hold mitts. And they also learned that from watching mayweather train. They don't have their own style like the europeans and latins. But the things lomachenko is doing were done already in the past. Willie pep, ralph dupas and giardello were doing the same movements and punches. Lomachenko does so many things i've seen the old school fighters do. Lee wylie had a good video on that too. But a boxer who has 100-200 pro fights, trains year around and is trained by a boxing TEACHER who has been around boxing his whole life like arcel, futch etc. And you are gonna come and say to these guys that their techniques are not effective? These guys didn't watch a video to learn, they learned it on the job, by doing it. They know better than anyone what works and what doesn't and how you apply it in the ring. Go watch the clip of duran sparring sergio mora. Duran is 65 so they are not going that hard, but the moves he does is just something i don't see anyone doing. Prime duran was levels above any current fighter and he was trained by arcel.

 

i looked up the sparring and i just dont see any resemblance with any of the old greats.
I learned boxing in an eastern european manner cause at my gym 50% of people were either from russia, Ukraine or Kazakhstan and I just dont see any correlation.
The fainting system is different, the back is not arched but more straight, the preference of punches and combination is different and the left hand is more used like a fencing tool in eastern european boxing.
In my gyms it everybody got their ass handled by those guys they just operate on another level. To be fair in my country their is no latino community.
But maybe thats just me.

 

MMA isn’t even 30 years old.

The birth of MMA saw different disciplines against each other, with no rounds, rules or weight classes etc.

The sport is unrecognisable from when it was first formed in the early 90’s.

Boxing is different.

Ask yourself if all of the fighters today are better than what they were 30 years ago?

Go through each division.

I told you earlier that the MW’s of 25-30’s years ago were 100% better than what they are today.

Compare the HW’s.

Tyson Fury is a great fighter. Unique.

What about the rest?

You’ve already said yourself that you don’t rate Wilder or Joshua at all. You told me that 2 weeks ago. So who does that leave you, who those guys haven’t beaten between them?

Apart from Tyson Fury, today’s HW’s aren’t better than what they were 30 years ago.

If you don’t agree, go and see for yourself.

I think you’re one of the most ignorant people that I’ve ever had the misfortune of debating.

 

No chance.

There’s having a different opinion, and then there’s been downright ignorant.

I’ve been reading his posts for a few months, across various threads.

He deserves to be ridiculed.

I don’t mind if someone disagrees with my opinions.

We can debate the difference of opinion.

He can’t be debated with though.

He’s an ignoramus.