In most sports the current guys are better than previous eras, why would boxing be any different?

Truth is that their is a consistent increase in size and weight in the hw division since the 70, that correlates with a consistent increase of power.

 

then go make a living out of boxing betting. Bookies go by stats you by your magical knowledge.

i watched the fight and i know toneys career and I never said that old fighters suck but the game has changed, professional boxing was a golden gloves in pro ranks. Now you have fighters from russia, kazakstan, mexico, Cuba, japan and you can see how the usa is loosing more and more significance.

 

Speed is a component of power,today isn't faster. A few people here know im a bit of a lifter but even im not entirely sold on bodybuilding type training increasing punching power.

 

No speed is not a component of power in that sense and hw are slower today cause they are taller and weight more.
There is speed and there is explosives, explosives is linked to power and pure speed is not. Mayweather is fast put doesnt punch hard, so does amir kahn. Haye punches explosiv therefor fast and powerful, so does wilder and stevenson and so on.
Its the same reason why welter weights are faster then cruiser weights.
Rocky marciano would be a super middle weight today.
Its like me arguing with you guys that the light heavy weights could beat hws and claiming that they woulndt get koed by them in under 5 rounds

 

also who is talking about bodybuilding type training. Of course dips with 40kg or 5x5 bench press is not going to contribute to your training but doing whole body exercises such as snatches, box squats can really help increasing your explosives and thats something almost all other sports do.
But especially stuff such as gymnastics and calisthenics will help developing your boxing ability. Who need coordination, stenght in core and arms and explosives just like in boxing.

 

You didn’t watch the fight.

Do you seriously expect us to believe that?

The game hasn’t changed.

The best MW’s of that era were BETTER than TODAY’s best MW’s.

You told us a few weeks ago that David Haye was faster than a prime version of Muhammad Ali.

Even when presented with video evidence to the contrary, you still swore that Haye was faster.

You are an absolute CLOWN.

 

WTF are you talking about?

Rocky would have been a SMW today?

SMH.

 

Combat sports are completely different from other sports. X factors like toughness and fighting spirit are more essential than any other competition. It's 1 vs 1 with no time outs or flags you can throw to challenge things. Endurance is arguably the most important quality in an athlete so I find it strange when people blast old school fighters who fought 15-20+ rounds and modern fighters barely go 12 with lots of breaks and clinching.

Boxing can only evolve so much. Technique wise i think it had reached it's peak by the late 90's to early 2000's. I would argue that the recent era has regressed if anything (outside of outstanding outliers like lomachenko, Crawford, Spence etc). Unless something in the rules of boxing changes or humanity has a major evolutionary change, we aren't ever going to see defensive wizards who make mayweather look like a bum. We aren't going to see boxers that are so fast they make Meldrick Taylor look like a sloth. We are not going to see guys who hit so hard they make Wilder look feather fisted. It simply isn't going to happen unless wr develop a captain America super soldier serum or legalize steroid abuse.

Which is another topic because again, combat sports are individualized. Just because you have a few remarkable athletes doesn't mean EVERYBODY in that era is remarkable. David Price would still be a glass jawed mediocre fighter no matter what era. And Joe Louis would always be a skilled fighter even if he was brought to the future. A lot of people are exposing their lack of knowledge claiming humanity has "evolved" in just 80 years.

 

What are you talking about?? Pro boxing was golden gloves?? Also, how come the greatest cuban fighters were in the 40s-60s?? Mexicans were in the pro game in america already in the 30s. So i don't know what you mean with that. How come the greatest japanese fighter fought in the 60s?? Also if you would have watched the fight you would have seen that no active fighter is on that skill level. They would have played with canelo, ggg, charloboys and anybody. There has also been russian pro boxers before. Just get over, it modern boxers aren't any better. You think all the people who have been around boxing their whole life and have boxed themselves, who say the same, don't know what they are talking about?? Even the referee joe cortez who is still alive who has seen all the current boxers, even closeup being the referee. He saw robinson fight in person and he said he was the best boxer he ever saw and it wasn't even a prime robinson. All of the older guys that have seen all the great old school fighters say that they were better back then now. I would rather believe them and my own eyes, than someone using stats to measure how good of boxer you are. James toney who turned pro in 88 and fought up till 2017. He said boxers were better back then. Old fat james toney even beat and dropped undefeated 33-0 kazakhstan cruiserweight boxer vasiliy jirov. So you're logic didn't work there.

 

The guy’s an absolute clown.

He’s even resorted to pretending that he’s seen the Toney-McCallum fight.

 

Imagine a football fan saying these things!.. I never hear it. Only in boxing. Les Ferdinand wouldn't fit in toady because players legs are woth too much money , but how good would todays guys be back in the contact era..!!?

 

Cuban boxing started massively developing in the 60 not prioir to that, when they started to adapt eastern european training methods. Stevenson, savon , rigondeaux are the guys that made cuba the boxing force it is today and not guys like sugar ramos or kid tunero. Entering the american market back in the day was just incredible hard, the fact that you had a little bit of latin fighters from cuba or mexico is because those countrys are relatively close to the usa but it doesnt change the fact that boxing in the us was a market of its own. Only the big hw stars such as ali and tyson were known to the rest of world. Believe me if i tell you no one in russia cares about sugar ray robinson, marvin hagler or rocky marciano most of boxers dont know who that is and they dont care.
Thats the main reason why american get their ass handled to them in boxing they just live in a absolutely glorified past. Between jirovs and toney career are only 10 years in between, but i would have loved to see toney is his prime against lebedev because he got punched from one corner to the another in their fight.

 

At least in my home country of germany everybody says that soccer is much better then decades ago. Like people will laugh at you if you say other wise.

 

I cant see any increase in clinching today. There were messy clinch fest back in the day too.
Humanity has not evolved but training methods and peds and nutrion have and they make a massiv impact on an athletes development.

 

I talked to a load of Germans in my life who think Klinsmann was one of Germanys ans Spurs best strikers. There was loads of great players 20 years ago who would still be great todday