In most sports the current guys are better than previous eras, why would boxing be any different?

ah and i saw the fight of course and i like james toney and i think he was great.
But the shoulder roll is a perfect example how boxing has changed. 10 years ago the shoulder roll was almost everywhere and so many guys used it, but guys like maidana kovalev showed how to beat or at least how to deal with shoulder users with guys like pascal, hopkins, ward, broner and maywweather . Today this style of fighting is gone, guys like canelo or maybe crawford use it very sporadic but no one used it as a main stance anymore with a few minor expections.
Now you guys will simply say that thats because trainers arent as good anymore and important knowledge is gone and bla bla...

 

Yeah, none of them know who Marvin Hagler is.

Haha!

The version of James who fought Jirov would have wrecked Denis Lebedev.

Until the last 30 seconds of the fight, the ghost of Roy Jones who was 42, gave him all he could handle. The version of Roy who beat Ruiz would have beaten him with absolute ease.

You are talking absolute nonsense.

The Russian fans know who those fighters are.

They absolutely idolise Roy Jones.

 

There is no logical flaw in saying that klinsmann is one of the best strikers in football history and saying that football today is better then 30 years ago.
You can also say that robinson is the greatest boxer of all time because of how dominant he was in his time. But no german soccer fan would say that klinsman would be as good of a striker as aubameyang.

 

They have much more of an impact in other sports.

 

10 years ago the shoulder roll was everywhere?

Really?

 

This just shows you're lack of knowledge. Kid tunero and suga ramos? Cmon now, they were great fighters but the 3 greatest cuban boxers are Luis manuel rodriguez, kid gavilan and jose napoles by far. Kid gavilan fought in the 40s and 50s. Rodriguez and napoles fought in the 60s. All these 3 are top 50 greatest fighters of all time and all of them are top 10 greatest welterweights of all time. Luis rodriguez and jose napoles are among the best boxers i've ever seen. Rigondeaux, lara, ugas, casamayor etc. don't even come close to these 3 guys. I only put the likes of robinson, roy jones and duran above them ability wise. Also there were other cubans in the 60s like jose legra who is an atg featherweight and jorge fernandez who was a top middleweight contender and jose stable a top welterweight contender. Also i guarantee you they know those guys you said in russia. I mean duran was getting swarmed by people trying to take a picture with him, when he went to the world amateur championship in russia. Also for example ggg said he watched ray robinson when he was younger. He is not from russia but they for sure know those guys. Anyone who boxes knows those guys. It just shows that you're delusional that they just know ali and robinson. They also love roy jones over there he even has a russian citizenship. Also like i said i've seen russians in the comments many times before. You think they live under a rock or something?? Also keep in mind that toney started at middleweight and he was 43 when he fought lebedev so great comeback. Also mario barrios just beat a undefeated russian guy and devin haney just destroyed a undefeated russian guy. Viktor postol got beat by crawford and taylor. Kovalev got knocked out. You are talking like they are destroying everyone and taking over boxing. It also sounds like you hate americans.

 

I swear that guy has some issues. I can't with this guy. Does he really believe what he is saying.

 

Broner ward and pascal aren't good at the shoulder roll so they didn't show much. Maidana lost to floyd so idk. Toney and mayweather were way harder to hit than any of the current boxers, so that means boxing has changed for the worse. You're saying some of the dumbest **** i've ever heard and i hope you are trolling.

 

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yeah no shoulder roll what so ever.

Maidana gave floyd one of his fastest fights and tony gets hits all the time thats. Do you even watch james toney fights? He gets hit all the time no matter at which weight. You are one of those guys that knows boxing only from the couch and never even sparred in his life.
this guy puts it right:

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ok bhop, mayweather, james toney, paul williams, andre dirrel etc were not active 10 years ago.
Or are only mayweather and toney and people from the 20th century shoulder roll users?

 

Lol, is that what you call a good shoulder roll?? Shoulder roll is bad because you can get hit?? You can get hit with any guard. Shoulder roll is a very hard defense and takes a long time to get good at, thats why some fighters get hit alot using it. Toney doesn´t get hit alot in his prime especially considering he isn´t moving much, he likes to stay in the pocket. Also i actually box and train 6 days a week and also do my research on boxing. Don´t even try that **** with me because it´s already clear who knows more about boxing. Plenty of people have called you out on you´re nonsense on this thread and other threads.
Just look at how ineffective the shoulder roll is...lol

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Simple! Athletes, almost up until the 70's, played their sports part time. You must realize, the athletes of the past would go work their real jobs when the season ended. They did not stay in shape year round. Today, if you are on a pro team and don't play a minute, you make a good enough living to send your children to private school and the wife is a stay at home mom, living in a real nice neighborhood. Example, my friends son pitched a few games last season for the Atlanta Braves, 4 games, I think. He got paid over 300k.

Also consider the equipment is much lighter and more ergonomic. So you may see big differences in other sports than boxing. Today, guys with 50 fights is considered to have a lot of fights, back in the good ol days, 50 fights was the half point in a guys career. Boxers equipment has not changed much. Shorts, cup and shoes. Nutrition I say is a wash. Not as much processed foods like today, people generally ate better. Evolution of humans hasn't changed much in the last 70 years. The big thing is the film is better. Boxers can watch a guy fight anytime anywhere.

 

No one knows who robinson is beside a small percentage. Jones jr is a little bit known because he got the russian citizenship. The only one that is quit popular over there is tzuyu cause he is half russian or something. I never said anything bad about toney losing to lebedev, i said i wanted to see a prime toney against lebedev.
I couldnt find anything on ggg and robinson or duran visiting russia, feel free to post something but many people on here just claim bull**** without any source. Kovalev got koed by a guy who is not capable of fighting anywhere else then his grandmas garden and punches guys in the ball consistently. I dont hate americans but this self centralized view of the world many on them is just absurd. Assuming that people in russia know marvin hagler is just so narrow minded.

 

Exactly. In other sports today athletes train more and more dedicated to their craft than before. In boxing today they train less and fight less than before. All the lifting weights, sprints etc. and protein shakes doesn´t give you boxing skills and boxing iq.

 

did i ever say shoulder roll is bad? I use it myself. I just said that the last generations of boxers found a way to work around. One thing you can do is you feint with your right, then the philly uses leans down and you can hit them or step to the left and then they are in a fukd up position. Kovalev did that in the first knock down against bhop. Judging a style only by their most effective user isnt a good idea, you should also look at guys that are not the absolute pinnacle users.
Can you post anything of you? I even posted my first amateur fight when I 16 on a another thread.