ALI HOLMES - The Hidden Truth Behind the "Fight"

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Bert Sugar? There`s footage of Ali not even being able to hit a speedbag properly.
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I’m talking about diagnosing someone of a disease by listening to them talk, which is apparently your super power.
     
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  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Link to the Mayo Clinic report?
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    It`s mentioned on the vid and watch Ali try to punch the speed bag, come on!
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t trust what someone says in a video as fact. They need to have either been there when the tests were administered or have the medical report. Otherwise it’s someone saying something years later. The Mayo Clinic is a higher medical authority than anyone on that video including Ferdie (who did not question the Mayo Clinic’s judgment when he talked to the Washington Post at the time).

    A short clip of someone hitting a speed bag doesn’t serve as a basis for licensing for a fight. I’ve seen Tyson Fury hit himself with an uppercut in a fight. I’ve seen world champions miss punches and turn 360 degrees like a Three Stooges bit. So have you.

    This is a bunch of people saying I told you so after the fact. Go read what they said at the time.

    And why are you focused on the Holmes fight? Why not Berbick? Spinks I and II, etc? Is it because no yahoo on YouTube made a video? You seem to only post videos so I guess you think those are all certified as truth by God himself. Go back and read what people who were there were saying at the time.
     
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  7. Saintpat

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    I’ll add one more try and just leave it at that.

    You’re looking back knowing the man had Parkinson’s and saying ‘It’s obvious, everyone knows it, these guys decades later say so’ but they weren’t saying so then.

    Let me give you another example. Go watch Benn-McClellan. Guess who the color commentator was: Ferdie Pacheco. He’s the FIGHT DOCTOR. He’s at ringside, just a few feet away. And he’s watching a man suffer brain damage right before his eyes.

    Hear Ferdie talking about McClellan constantly blinking (blurred vision) and not noticing that he’s apparently gagging (his mouthpiece is half out), two symptoms of brain trauma that a doctor should recognize. He sees Benn repeatedly rabbit punching (more likely to cause trauma than a punch to the face where there’s bone to absorb impact) and a massive head butt ... but not once does he say anything about how McClellan could be so much as concussed by this.

    Instead, what does the FIGHT DOCTOR do? He chastises McCellan for not punching more and not getting off first. Oh, and when he goes down, Ferdie talks about him quitting, surrendering. And goes on and on about ‘I’ve never seen a fighter quit like that.’

    Now this is a trained medical professional who SHOULD have recognized all of this right in front of him. He should have been screaming to stop the fight even though McClellan was ahead because his very life was at stake. He should have been willing to take off his headset and climb into the ring himself to save a life, or at least run over to the ringside physician and explain to him what’s going on here and make him stop it.

    But no, he’s calling McClellan a dog for quitting.

    Only when his broadcast partner points out that McClellan is sitting in the corner with no stool (which Ferdie thinks is odd) and then they put him on his back and beckon paramedics does it dawn on him that this is serious.

    That’s who Ferdie Pacheco is.

    Now why don’t you go find that footage (on YouTube, not the UK commentary version obviously) and string together those clips and put some funny graphics on it and type some little words to ask wtf he’s even thinking when he’s saying those things ... and post it? Oh, and grab that clip from this video where Ferdie keeps saying “criminal” and “should be arrested.” Because it applies to him in this case, right?

    Why? Because we now know what Ferdie didn’t — that Gerald was in a ring fighting with brain damage. And since we know that now, can we not retrofit his own words while watching it go down mere feet away in front of him and indict him as a criminal for not knowing? That’s what you’ve been doing here.
     
  8. Saad54

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    Sad.

    DK was front and center

    Ali had no business fighting.
     
  9. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To his credit Ferdie advised Ali to quit after the Shavers fight. Ali didnt and Ferdie left. He didnt milk Ali till the end.
     
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  10. Fastfists

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    Unfortunately after 3 rounds I turned it off. No business in the ring. I had only read about it in high school. Wanted to see how it compared to 1971 on ESPN past month. Horrified
     
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  11. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Those comments Ferdie made about it being a crime came at the very end of his life. He had started to talk a little crazy. Similar to the way he spoke in that Thrilla In Manila doc.
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Have you gone mad? I was talking about when he had parkinson`s before the Holmes fight!
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    How ****ing thick are you? Even given the poor grammar do you think i didn't understand you were talking about the clip YOU put up? I was giving you something to get excited about, a comparison.

    "therre is footage on the vid I pasted where Ali couldn`t even hit the speed bag properly."
     
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  14. Dubblechin

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    Groan.
     
  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ferdie Pacheco said Ali should've retired after the Thrilla in Manila. Then Ferdie 'milked it' for another SEVEN Ali outings (including the Inoki matchup).

    He stuck around because he didn't have any other gig at the time. He wasn't practicing doctor. Hadn't been forever. He left when he got a job at NBC as a matchmaker and commentator.
     
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