Just rewatched Frazier Quarry II

The fight could have been stopped after Frazier knocked Quarry out on his feet in the last minute of the 4th, then the liver shot at the end of the 4th could have ended it. The 5th round was probably unnecessary, Quarry's corner could have stopped it. Quarry took more punishment that round and got a bad cut too. When they fought inside, Frazier would square up and Quarry did too. Quarry might have done better if he had kept his left foot and shoulder forward and bumped Frazier back. Quarry also moved to his right into Frazier's left hook, but that might not have mattered too much because Frazier's right hand looked good too.

Quarry had good boxing skills but he looked soft at 29 years old and 197 pounds. To me, Quarry looked much better physically when he was younger, he looked much quicker and stronger against Miteff when he was in his early 20s.

 

It was a good scrap. Quarry had a job with CBS. He saw Frazier get blown out by Foreman. Quarry had lost the first fight on a cut. He thought he could beat Frazier. That seemed like the surest way to get a title shot.

Quarry had spent the previous four years doing the 'sit back and wait' approach fighting fringe contenders and the occasional name. It hadn't gotten him any closer to a title fight.

I don't think it was Gil Clancy's fault. Quarry knocked off Lyle and Shavers. Stopping and just waiting around after the Shavers win didn't make sense. Shavers became well known later, but he was a new name at the time. Quarry had beaten new names before.

Quarry was making one last run before he focused on his TV job. Frazier seemed ripe for the picking. Quarry was on a roll. The timing was right.

The problem was Frazier was just better than him. Quarry was never the best heavyweight in boxing. All the maneuvering in the world wasn't going to get around that fact. He maxed out his potential. That's all.

The Norton fight was just about a guy (Quarry) who was done, then was offered one last chance, and he took it (because he'd recently seen Norton get blown out, too).

He'd been acting and appearing as himself on TV shows, sitcoms and in commercials since the late 60s. He should've just stuck to his TV work.

 

Or, just as likely, you line up a few stay-busy fights and Jerry gets cut in one of them and loses by stoppage and there goes everything.

He wins this fight and he’s poised at the very top. Lost the first fight on cuts. Joe looked vulnerable. And Jerry probably was begging for another shot at Frazier.

As for your idea that his manager should ‘keep him afloat financially,’ how do we know what Clancy’s financial situation was at this time? He had a wife and six children. But because you say so he should just take food off their table to feed a fighter and ... if Quarry doesn’t make that money back plus then oh well, no skin off your nose.

 

I see you found the all-caps button.

Gil managed a lot of fighters. Was he supposed to feed and house all of them? Maybe buy them cars and pay for their vacations too? Maybe some managers choose to float fighters money — and most of those that do never see that money back. Or the fighter is resentful when the manager takes all that fronted money out of their purses as repayment. But if managers CHOOSE (all caps to help you understand) to do that, it’s their choice to do so (if they have the means), not yours or someone else’s.

Yes, we know he lost to Frazier. But if he had won, there’s that windfall purse you’re talking about and it’s probably even bigger with a scalp like Smokin’ Joe’s on his resume.

As for him getting paid ‘a lot less’ for fighting Frazier ... a lot less than an imaginary purse that you say he would get if he had not fought Joe?

He had won six fights in a row in 18 months and his only two losses from Jan. 1, 1970, to mid-74 were to Muhammad Ali. Yet no world title fight materialized in that span. Yet magically, because ronnyrains says so half a century later, three fights against nobodies instead of fighting Joe would have produced a guaranteed title shot with a Fort Knox purse.

Quarry was ready to make his final move to see if he could pull it off. He was beginning to get shopworn and he wasn’t getting any younger and any fight against literally any opponent was a risk of a loss on cuts at the very least because of his propensity to bleed.

Dude, you need to go ahead and manage some fighters and see how it works. Make sure you front them your life savings to float them between fights so you can show us the wisdom of that. And report back when you have to go to the public library to access the internet because you can’t afford it, lol.

 

I watched it about a month ago.I thought it showed Frazier still had quite a bit left.

 

Wow, never heard anyone criticize Dunphy. He was the greatest television and radio announcer in the history of the sport bar none.

 

Someone clearly doesn't understand sarcasm...

 

Given your bizarre lust for Jerry Quarry Im afraid youd enjoy it entirely too much...

 

A fight that made 'even less sense' for Quarry in 1974 was a non-title rubber match with Ali in 1974.

Quarry had fought Ali twice before. He never came close to winning either and was brutally stopped in the return in 1972.

After Ali beat Frazier and Foreman beat Norton in early 1974, the fight to make was Foreman-Ali. And that was the fight that was made.

 

Oh God. (LOL)

My lingering memory of Brookshier is calling Ken Norton "Mandingo" a half a dozen times during one telecast.

Brookshier wasn't even a boxing announcer. That's like saying you prefer Dan Dierdorf.

 

Clancy made sure Griffith was always well paid, someone with his experience is most definitely more informed than ANYONE on this forum, in both business and boxing.

Bob has made a good thread here about an undermentioned fight between two fan favourites, so please stop derailing it.

 

Yeah, I'll take a guy who called a handful of B-grade CBS boxing matches over a guy who was the gold standard for 40 years... Just because he, shocker, worked with the guy who I have a sad man crush on. Sound like anyone we know? It also doesnt hurt that more than once Brookshier tipped his hand at being a racist and Ive seen you post racist rants several times on several different internet forums from the old Jerry Quarry website, to facebook, and beyond.

 

Classy.