Is Carl Froch amongst the top ten SMW fighters of all time?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, May 27, 2020.

?

Is Carl Froch a top ten SMW

  1. Yes

    32 vote(s)
    78.0%
  2. No

    9 vote(s)
    22.0%
  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    81,698
    Likes Received:
    21,968
    For the sake of consistency with my own way of ranking, Roy Jones is excluded from this list as he has a home in the LHW division.

    I'm talking about people who at their very best were SMW fighters.

    The likes of Toney, Ward, Ottke, Kessler, Beyer, Eubank, Benn, Calzaghe, Groves, Lyle, Mitchell, many others I've forgotten

    If we were to make a top ten SMW list, ranking this guys who as peak fighters were SMWs, would Froch be in the top ten?
     
  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2008
    Messages:
    24,341
    Likes Received:
    9,958
    Jones was at his very best as a super middleweight.

    But to answer your question, yes, based on accomplishments I think Froch is somewhere in the top 10 at 168.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    Messages:
    27,133
    Likes Received:
    44,916
    Based on résumé, absolutely. In fact, he's top 5 at minimum.

    However, H2H? There's LOADS who beat him. Is he top 10? Maybe, but I reckon there's 10 who would possibly beat him.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2008
    Messages:
    28,145
    Likes Received:
    13,103
    Yeah. On resume he might be top 3, since it isn't a very deep division. I don't know, maybe Ottke edges him out? Calzaghe and Ward should be the top 2 guys, I guess.
     
  5. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2018
    Messages:
    6,064
    Likes Received:
    11,268
    Without question in my mind. Very solid wins against Kessler, Bute, Johnson, Abraham, Taylor and Groves.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    81,698
    Likes Received:
    21,968
    Which ten?
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    81,698
    Likes Received:
    21,968
    He does have an excellent resume imo.
     
    AwardedSteak863 likes this.
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    81,698
    Likes Received:
    21,968
    I think the top 4 is between Ward, Calzaghe, Toney and Froch.
     
    ipitythefool and AwardedSteak863 like this.
  9. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2009
    Messages:
    11,765
    Likes Received:
    4,505
  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    Messages:
    27,133
    Likes Received:
    44,916
    Ward and Kessler. Obviously. Then Jones, Toney, Calzhage, McClellan, Watson and Eubank would've been on my list to pull it off.

    Hearns, Ottke, Dirrell, Benn, Collins and Barkley could all do it too.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    81,698
    Likes Received:
    21,968
    I'd favour Ward and Toney.

    I wouldn't actually favour any other SMW over him tbh.

    Even Toney I'm not 100% sure about due to the way in which he could be pressured and bullied.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    Messages:
    27,133
    Likes Received:
    44,916
    Sorry - did you mean to say you'd pick Froch over Jones and Calzaghe?
     
    Oddone likes this.
  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    81,698
    Likes Received:
    21,968
    I don't think I pick anyone over Jones from 175 or below, but as stated above I rank him at LHW not SMW. I'd pick Sugar Ray, Marvin Hagler, Hopkins and many others to beat him weighing in at 168, but I rank them in other divisions.

    As for Joe Calzaghe, yes I favour Froch to beat him. I think he'd make it into a war, Joe would oblige and Froch would come out on top.
     
  14. Jester

    Jester Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    885
    Likes Received:
    450
    He's a lock for me. I couldn't think of a list of ten SMW's I would rank above him based on achievements at 168.
     
  15. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2015
    Messages:
    10,229
    Likes Received:
    19,542
    He is top 5 imo. H2H, you might think of 10 or more who could beat him, but he's up in the mix with nearly all of them. I personally think he is slightly underrated H2H.