Who Do You Rank Higher - Dempsey Or Liston?

Lol

 

I got ready to type out a long drawn out post to completely destroy your argument, but I think Luf in 3 letters, makes the point better than anything I can say.

 

Great input. Astonishing insight.

 

How many times can we realistically have the same debate I've the course of a decade?

 

I wonder how you were going to do that, since the points I made are historically correct?

There is nothing inaccurate about saying Sonny Listons status has benefited hugely from a Renaissance decades later. His ranking in all time lists before 1980 is well documented.

 

Lol

 

It could certainly be argued that Miske and Sharkey were as good as Patterson. Again, the only reason that fighters like Miske aren't really mentioned when we talk about good heavyweights is because there is all of zero fight footage on him. At least from what my google searches find. It's the same reason Harry Greb isn't talked about nearly as much as other middleweights. He's brought up as a side bar in threads but is never the subject of threads. Why? Well despite being the best middleweight and maybe even light heavyweight ever there's zero footage on him.

You had all of 4 people make top 20 lists.

Are you willfully being this ignorant? I literally said Dempsey's opponents. We have footage on Dempsey. We don't have nearly the same level of footage on his best opponents as we do on Liston's. Do you understand?

Is there something mentally wrong with you that we don't know about? Do you have some sort of mental handicap that we should be aware of? 70s literally said "He has comparable resume to Patterson and I have him below only because he had more losses." He's literally saying that the resumes are similar but he rates Patterson higher in terms of top 20 heavyweights because Sharkey had more losses.

Your bs might work with old posters that have trouble using the computer but over the vast majority of this forum everyone see's right through your attempts to misquote.

 

Liston was better but Dempsey did more for the sport then maybe anyone. Dempsey makes my Mr Rushmore but Listons in my top five

 

I never said that Patterson was significantly better than Sharkey. I'm not even sure if he was better at all. Jack was excellent fighter and he was at his best against Dempsey.

I also don't get why people think that Liston beat far better fighters. People don't talk about Fulton or Miske, but they weren't worse than Machen or Williams.

 

Exactly. Fulton And Miske are at worst equal to Machen and Williams.

 

Machen is definitely on their level, but Williams is clearly below that to me. He's more like a bit more talented Firpo.

 

Williams is CLEARLY below that? You do realize Williams drew with a prime Machen right? Majority draw actually. The other judge (as well as the majority of those in attendance) had Williams clearly ahead.

 

Williams was ranked 22 by the ring and 25 by Herb Goldman. Where are Fulton and Miske comparable ratings?

@DanDaly I'll get to you soon buttercup don't worry.

 

This is actually a very intriguing post and got me to thinking about my MT Rushmore. My 4 would be Ali, Louis, Dempsey, and I'm drawing a blank for the 4th. Perhaps Marciano?

 

Yeah and that's probably the best result of his career. Outside of this and Terrell win, Cleveland did nothing notable in his career outside of fighting and losing to Ali and Liston. Machen beat far more world level fighters. Fulton also beat better fighters than that.