Can you think of two fighters who's H2H status as the weight class changes?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I traditionally tend to think that if fighter A is superior to fighter B at a particular weight class, then a gain in weight by either man wouldn't change the dynamic as to who is better.

    But I'm wondering if that's actually a correct notion.

    I struggle to think of any contrary examples, but what I'm looking for is two guys in a division, where one is superior, but as the weight classes change, the other fighter becomes superior.
     
  2. Tin_Ribs

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    These are debatable and open to disagreement obviously, but to put them out there...

    Gomez and Barrera at super-bantam and feather.

    Chavez and Mayweather at lightweight and welter. Probably Chavez and DLH too at the same weights, and Chavez and Mosley.

    Maybe Jones Jr and Charles at middle and light heavy. Jones at the lower weight and then Charles superior at 175. Very speculative though in terms of Jones being a better middleweight.

    I was wondering the other day if the improved super-middle version of Watson who was beating Eubank could've beaten McCallum at 168. He was really very green in their 160 title fight and added a good deal to his game afterwards where McCallum was capable but faded above 160. Interesting fight at least imo.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

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    Pacquiao gets blased out by Gomez at 122, but reverses the roll at 126 imo.
     
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    More recently, Estrada and Gonzalez at light-fly/fly and super-fly?
     
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  5. Tin_Ribs

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    More obvious than Gomez-Barrera tbh, well spied.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

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    Come on, Wilfred Gomez is too easy of a pick.

    He's the stereotype of weight matters.

    But it mattered against Sanchez and Nelson.

    He really should be banned from this thread lol.
     
  7. George Crowcroft

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    I like your Charles example, but feel the need to tell you that it is wrong and Charles destroys Jones in 1, regardless of weight. ;)

    Although in seriousness I think Jones' style plays into Charles' hands no matter the weight, and that whilst both were green at 160, Charles' flaw was conditioning. Jones didn't ever really use methods of exploiting this.
     
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  8. Tin_Ribs

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    I don't know if I agreed with it myself tbh, just throwing it out there. Thinking about Charles-Spinks too at 175 and heavy, intriguing. And Spinks with Moore, Moorer, Foster and Harold Johnson at the same weights.
     
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    Ugh finnnnnnne. :p

    Leonard vs Hearns. After doing 'the threads' on both, and having been one over by some of the responses, I'd say Leonard always wins at 147, and Hearns wins most of the time at 154.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    You've actually just nailed one of the mentions I was considering. I'd have picked Spinks over Charles at HW, but not at LHW (although it hurts to type that). But then if you throw Johnson in with Charles at 175 instead of the decrepit corpse* he fought at HW and I think he'd have been stopped.

    Foster, a bit like Gomez, is pretty solid evidence that weight matters, and one of those Hatton-esc guys that were a 'perfect fit' for their weight.

    *I know this is a pretty drastic exaggeration.

    I'd pick about 30 BWs to beat Pedroza at 118 but not one of them to beat him at 126.
     
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  11. Saintpat

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    Leonard won at 147.

    Hearns ‘won’ (despite the judges) at 168.

    /thread lol
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

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    I think if that was a 15 rounder Hearns would've lost again.
     
  13. Tin_Ribs

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    Yeah, Pedroza against Olivares, Jofre and Harada were some others I was just thinking about, you beat me to it. Fenech too with the the same three fighters at bantam and feather.
     
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  14. Wass1985

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    What about Spinks vs Moorer, I think Spinks would beat Moorer at LHW but would get knocked out at HW.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    That is a great answer, i fully agree there tbh.
     
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