Most Underrated Brit?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, May 29, 2020.


  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree, but the Castillo fight was the one that landed him the Mayweather fight.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I’ll have a look.

    He always came across to me as an easy going and sensible lad.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post.

    I enjoyed reading it.

    I wish he was in today’s CW mix.
     
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  4. EJC83

    EJC83 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah that's what I always thought, I actually liked him a lot when he was coming through and I love the way he wound up Bellew, just seems to have really lost his head now in a really arrogant way.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    That’s a shame.

    He’s an intelligent lad.
     
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  6. roughdiamond

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    Seaman Tommy Watson (ridiculous high level consistency for his era, only has losses to absolute top fighters and a few early ones), or Johnny Cuthbert (who had a very controversial draw with Panama Al Brown in which he was very unfortunate, and a DQ win). Both at or near ATG level imo, and I've never seen them mentioned here.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I've never heard of either, but after reading up on big Tom Sharkey, I'm interested in anything 'Seaman' (no don't go there, you dirty *******) and beating Panama would've been an awesome achievement.

    I was gonna mention Freddie Welsh, but I couldn't be bothered typing out his long list of accomplishments.
     
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  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Well, I learnt all about them from the Nipper Pat Daly book (he is another one to be mentioned, the greatest talent in Boxing history imo. Truly a tragedy.).
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    **** me, it's not every day you see a W next to the name Packey McFarland!
     
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  10. roughdiamond

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    Unfortunately I think that is just some bloke with the same name iirc.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Looks like you're right pal. Oh ****ing hell, I've been catfished on Boxrec.... what a sad existence. :lol:

    Guy was fighting pro at 9? Mental. You say he was a tragedy, what was?
     
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    Suffering multiple concussions in a row and being finished as a boxer at age 18 due to poor handling / overwork. The guy was world ranked by Ring at 15 / 16 - beating national and Euro champs and dominating the UK domestic scene which was ridiculous strong at that point. He was touted by everyone, including Jimmy Wilde and Mickey Walker (whom he sparred), as the UK's future GOAT. The only reason there weren't more champs from Britain at that time overall is because talented children were being exploited, unlike USA which had rules against how often and long you could compete under a certain age.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    That's mental, I'll look for film but I'm not hopeful.

    Just the idea of literal kids bring allowed to fight is ****ing nuts.
     
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  14. roughdiamond

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    It wasn't an anomaly back then, although Pat is the youngest recorded. I don't think there is any film, but there is remarkable testimony from many (Wilde and Walker as I said, Gilbert Odd one of the best boxing journalists ever, plus the numerous students Pat taught later in life, one of became a top boxing man, taught officials and even started boxing in the Bahamas). His style is pretty easy to piece together in the mind too, not a unknowable freak like Greb. Think of a sort of Driscoll, Wilde like technical boxer etc.

    I'd seriously just recommend the book. One of the best Boxing books I've ever read. Extensive and very well written, never a drag to read.
     
  15. KeedCubano

    KeedCubano Read my posts in a Jamaican accent Full Member

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    Today's CWs are the ****! Awesome fights from awesome fighters.
     
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