Emile Griffith vs Gennady Golovkin

Golovkin is not a quick enough starter or reckless enough to "Carter" Griffith.

And I think Griffiths style makes him a massive favourite here. He's going to see every punch coming at him, he will put jab Golovkin with ease which is his best weapon. He'll smother all his inside work and probably put hook him up close.

But more importantly, his feet will exploit Golovkins (and this is his biggest H2H knock in a historical sense) inability to cut the ring off with the kind of ruthless determination someone with his style needs.

Griffith stays one step ahead and wins a wide points margin imo.

 

I like GGG pressure and strength in this one. Emile's skill and toughness keep him in it but I see GGG by a UD.

 

This is the way in which Monzon ground him down, but by this point Emile was 32 and had had 90 fights.

Plus Monzon was much better at cutting the ring off imo. In fact Monzon was technically that brilliant, he made his work look easy and unremarkable. People watch him fight and don't quite see the big deal about him, but when you punch with the accuracy and conviction he does and you can cut the ring off the way Monzon did, every thing seems so inevitable.

But here is the kicker for me. By the time Monzon beat Griffith he had already twice beating Nino Benvenuti and had proven his credentials. He then beat Griffith in a rematch to prove he really was that good.

Golovkin has never beaten anyone of the quality of either of these two. I mean Geale, Macklin, Lemieux, Murray. It is a decent run but it isn't a murderers row and there's no ATG on there.

And here's the bigger kicker, two things happened to GGG in 2016,he aged and his quality of opponent went up. He looked beatable yet destructive against Brook, he looked good but not great against Jacobs and he looked good but even less great against Canelo. It could be argued Golovkin was old by this point, but it could equally be argued he just wasn't as good against the next level of opponent.

So what does that leave us with. Griffith a certified ATG who was banged up by Carter and stopped by Monzon.

Golovkin a man who never beat anyone on the level of Griffith, likely never will and probably will never beat a guy ranked one in the division.

Does Golovkin has the hand and foot speed to beat Griffith, in my opinion no he doesn't.

 

Griffith was way too smart for Golovkin...a whole level above him. Griffith W15 GGG

 

I am very aware of how talented Griffith was. He was a phenomenal fighter in his era. GGG is a guy that has fought everyone in his division as an outstanding amauter and in his pro career. It not his fault that he doesn't have a Joey Giardello or Dick Tiger to fight but up until this last year he has been a very dominant champion against the competition available to him. I truly believe GGG's excellent Jab, pressure and strength get to Emile. I guess we agree to disagree.

 

It's a fine one to disagree over, as Monzon did to Griffith what you think Golovkin would do so the blueprint is there.

And whilst it's true Golovkin didn't have those names around, it's also true that he looked less impressive against the best he did face.

 

A 5'7 1/2:" blown up welterweight who lost 24 times and drew twice with limited power ( Ko% 20.54 ) vs. a prime GGG?

I don't think Griffith could take GGG's power. Rubin Carter KO'd him in 1 round round Monzon, who had solid power and slower hands than GGG also stopped Griffin. GGG's jab alone would be tough for him to navigate.

GGG via TKO, probably in the middle rounds.

 

I agree, GGG is a little to heavy handed for Griffith at 160, though I think the fight goes for some time longer

 

The way Saul Alvarez, a 5'8 former WW who was on the verge of being stopped against Jose Cotto managed to give Golovkin all he could handle?

Also the 24 losses, you need to look into those more.

The post you made absolutely screams out that you have juts logged onto boxrec and quoted the headline.

 

He has every gift a stride ahead of GGG aside from power where he falls short and chin only because I can’t see GGG being knocked out flush ever, he’s even the stronger man look at the tale of the tape check out his fights look at the way he effortlessly handles larger opponents in the clinch.

He has an answer for every question GGG asks.

 

It could, Griffith had skills for sure, but IMO he could not handle the physicality the Golovkin forces his opponents to confront. With limited power from the much smaller Griffith, GGG has the green light to throw as often as he likes. GGG doesn't mind getting hit to land his own.

A prime GGG is not the man who was robbed vs Canelo at age 36.

 

Alzerez has a top chin, and was on PED's. He's strong enough to win matches at 175 pounds. He has never been stopped. His defense and counter game is rather good. In his absolute prime, Alverez lost to GGG who was passed his prime. It was a robbery.

Yeah, 24 losses vs some guys I never head of. How many excuses can there be in these losses? More than I can count on both hands?

Please go over all 24 losses if you can. This ought to be a hoot.

 

You'll be pleased to know I'm actually in the process of updating some of the pages on boxrecso you'll be able to make more insightful posts such as these.

 

This!!! I agree 100%.