Toney vs Holyfield Breakdown | Philly Shell vs. Cross Guard

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I feel this vid shows how Toney would have beat Norton`s guard better than Ali did, how ineffective is the cross guard overall?
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    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Nothing to do with cross guard, its just Holyfield's reflexes were done

    I am a big Toney fan but I do not believe he would be able to break Norton or Witherspoon's guard anywhere near as easily.

    IMO cross guard is very effective when fighting at close range.
     
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    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you trying to tell me that he'd break down Old Mongoose defense based on him beating washed up Holyfield? I'm not buying that..
     
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    Holyfield was almost 41 and only won 2 of his last 7 bouts leading up to this fight ... and also lost his next fight aswell. Nothing to breakdown, Holyfield had nothing left in the tank.
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Toney is from Detroit. I'm from Philadelphia. WTF is a Philly shell???
     
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    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The old bull**** “Philly Shell” Which never existed before hipsters in the 2000s invented that name and a fake history to go along with it...
     
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    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    Looks like Toney was from Philadelphia after all
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Toney would have landed on Spoon more than Bruno did.
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I think this defensive style was developed in gyms in Philly but that has been disputed, it`s a very old defensive style, George Benton used to use it too.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Well what is it then? it`s a very good tactic that Floyd Mayweather perfected.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    You`ve never heard of the Philly shell?
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Moore was far better defensively using the cross guard than Holy was even when he used it inthe 90`s, he often got caught.
     
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    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then criticize Holyfield for his weaknesses, not whole strategy. Jones wouldn't break down Moore or Norton easily.
     
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    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also, Schmeling fought with "Philly Shell" and he was 1920s european fighter learning how to box in Germany. There is nothing Philadelphian about this style.
     
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