Fury's wins over Wlad and Wilder eclipse any single wins on Lennox's resume

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  1. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    FFS, Wilder didn't even unify against Martin or Parker, or fight Whyte, his handlers had that little confidence in him.
     
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  2. ipitythefool

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    I'm sure that's disallowed in the Queensberry Rules. I may be wrong of course.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Fury hasn't even got a better résumé than Joshua, let alone Lewis.
     
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  4. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I love how people are just ignoring the manner in which Lennox Lewis 'defeated' Vitali Klitschko.

    He was down on the cards and caught Vitali Klitschko with a grazing punch. Incredibly lucky.

    The reason why we put so much emphasis on wins is because they prove or reveal something in favour of the victor. This "win" showed that Lennox Lewis was a very fortunate boxer, that night.
     
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  5. Loudon

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    I’m a huge fan of Tyson’s, and he beat Wlad both physically and mentally. He did a complete psyche job on him during the build up. In the ring, Wlad couldn’t change tactics and let his hands go. He had a psychological block. He’d never met a HW as big, as confident and as mobile. It was a great win for Tyson. But we can’t call it a schooling though. That would be an exaggeration.

    Deontay Wilder is heavily flawed. Yes, his athleticism and his huge power make him incredibly dangerous, but we’ve often seen him off balance due to poor technique, and we’ve seen him struggle with B and C class fighters until he’s managed to land his power shots. Tyson has shown the world what happens when he can’t land his power. Was it a great win? Personally, due to Tyson’s circumstances, I think it’s a great win. A huge win. Because 2 years ago, most people thought that we’d never see Tyson fight again. He was finished. So his comeback to the top after his mental health issues and drug abuse is monumental. That’s what makes the win so great. But taking that out of the equation and just looking at the quality of an opponent, it’s not as great.

    The statistics say that Wilder was a great, unbeaten HW. A long reigning WBC champ. But the reality, is that he won the belt from a C class, out of shape Bermane Stiverne, who himself had won a vacant title against Chris Areola. Again, although he’s brings to the table exciting unpredictability with huge power, he’s a heavily flawed fighter. And there’s not a doubt in my mind, that many HW’s both past and present, could have followed his exact timeline given the same opportunity. So to me, his long reign wasn’t in any way impressive.

    Now if you’re going to be objective, you can’t just look at the statistics. You have to look at the quality of the fighters, where they were in their careers at the time, their ages and any other relevant factors.

    Personally, I think that Lewis’ win over Vitali was better than those 2 wins of Tyson.

    Yes, it wasn’t in any way as decisive over Tyson’s victory over Wilder. However, Vitali was a much greater fighter than Wilder, and Lewis was 38 years old at the time. Now we don’t know if Tyson will still be fighting in 2-3 years, let alone when he’s 38, with 40 plus fights on his resume.

    Sure, Vitali was on top and looking the stronger fighter. Sure, you could say that Lewis won on a technicality as the doctor deemed Vitali’s cut too bad to continue. Sure, it was an unsatisfying conclusion. Sure, it was disappointing that there was no rematch. But there was no clash of heads. So although you could say Vitali was very unlucky, Lewis won fair and square.

    So yes, the win wasn’t as decisive, and Vitali wasn’t a long reigning champ like Wilder was. But beating Vitali Klitschko at 38 years of age, was a bigger accomplishment than beating a flawed fighter like Deontay Wilder.

    The statistics aren’t enough.

    On a H2H basis, Vitali was superior to Wilder and a much tougher challenge.
     
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  6. VG_Addict

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    Fury's win over Wlad wasn't a legitimate dethroning.

    Lewis stopping Briggs to win the lineal championship was a legitimate dethroning.
     
  7. Loudon

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    Thinking about it, it’s a real shame that Tyson was robbed of a win in the first fight with Wilder. Because that to me was more impressive than the rematch.

    Like I’ve noted in my previous post, Tyson’s comeback was unbelievable. And when you also take into account that he took the fight too early and wasn’t anywhere near 100 percent, as well as the fact that he somehow managed to get back up from that left hook in the final round, then it was phenomenal.

    If that had been an official win, I think you’d definitely have a case for ranking it higher than any win that Lennox had.
     
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  8. fitzroy boy_iron mike

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    Different matter.
     
  9. fitzroy boy_iron mike

    fitzroy boy_iron mike Active Member Full Member

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    Very fair post, mon ami.
     
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  10. On The Money

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    On paper Lewis's best win is Vitali but I don't count a win on a cut when being battered as fully legit when it was opened by dirty boxing in clinches. Fury maybe has two better wins. I'd bet that 15 Wlad and even 20 Wilder would beat 02 Mike and 99 Holyfield.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    To me, Lennox’s win over Tyson doesn’t mean much at all.
     
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  12. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Tyson was a name win. Maybe Briggs rates higher given he was prime and later held a belt.
     
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  13. Heavy_Hitter

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    I'm a big fan of Wlad, but he was declining since Pulev fight. Even vs Jennings he looked mediocre already.
    Same Jennings, who almost got KOed by freaking Dimitrenko.
     
  14. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Mccall would be furys second best win
     
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  15. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Golota has a much better resume then Wilder. He fought much higher level of opposition. He did beat up Riddick Bowe.