ATG FEATHERWEIGHT TOURNIE: QF 2 - SANDY SADDLER MD ALEXIS ARGUELLO

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Who will win?

Poll closed Jun 7, 2020.
  1. Saddler

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  2. Arguello

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hot damn. Would have been a good final...

    Sandy Saddler (seeded 2) was the most brutal featherweight in the division’s history, a stylist who fought with a puncher’s hate, a man of absurd dimensions who fought in the crouch of a sawn-off swarmer, a contradiction on skinny legs that used any and every trick in the book to bend his withering opponents to his will.

    Between 1940 and 1951 only one featherweight was able to best Willie Pep, and that featherweight was Saddler. Their first fight, from 1948, saw Pep made a strong favorite and with good reason – he was as brilliant and dominant a champion as had ever lived – but there were reasons to favor Saddler. For two years he had been trailing Pep and was eerily confident of his chances. This confidence was borne out. He found the champion with ease, busting him up, cutting him, and stopping him in four with a brutal left hook. After losing a rematch Saddler auditioned with hate for his rematch, winning twenty-three in a row, eighteen of them by stoppage. In 1950, they met once more.

    “He got me in a double arm-lock,” sulked Pep after his ninth round quittage, apparently suffering from a damaged shoulder.

    “Body punches,” was Saddler’s riposte. “I could see in his eyes something was wrong but I didn’t think it was no shoulder."
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    Alexis Arguello, seeded 10, the professional’s professional, a puncher of wonderful accuracy and power who matched brutality with elegance and elegance with destruction.

    Arguello introduced himself to world-class boxing in the traditional manner, with a decimation of a former linchpin; scheduled for ten rounds with Jose Legra, he cracked him out in one, turning heads from Nicaragua, where they already knew him to be special, to Inglewood, where he would soon be crash-landing. He did run afoul of the elegant Ernesto Marcel in 1974, dropping a decision while underweight at 122lbs, but at 126, he would be near invincible.

    Art Hafey, ranked the #5 featherweight in the world, was the fighter unlucky enough to cross Arguello’s path in an elimination bout later that year; the Nicaraguan steamrolled him in five. His next major challenge was major indeed: Ruben Olivares. What this fight underlined was Arguello’s size at featherweight. Olivares was a natural bantamweight so for him the sight of the 5’10 Arguello, must have been a particularly distressing one, but even for natural feathers he was intimidating. Not that you would have known it in the Inglewood Forum that night as Olivares rattled Arguello to his bones on numerous occasions before succumbing to a devastating left hook that appeared to travel around an inch. Olivares regained his feet and fought on like a man possessed but Arguello exorcised him with another, equally merciless punch.

    He showed the division as a whole no mercy, gunning out Leonel Hernandez in eight and, in perhaps in his most impressive featherweight performance, Royal Kobayashi in five. He then departed the division the undefeated champion of the world; one can only imagine the collective sigh of relief that was expelled in his wake.
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    Who will win under the following rules?

    15 round fight.
    1960s referee.
    8oz boxing gloves.
    10 points must.

    Cast your vote and explain yourself in a post below! You have 3 days
     
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  2. lufcrazy

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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've gone for Saddler. The referee will help him here and I'll be changing that rule for the welterweights.

    I think that Saddler is better set to take advantage of Arguello than Arguello is of Saddler though. There's no question of who is the better infighter and fifteen rounds is a long time, as we know. I pick Saddler to out-monster Agruello down the stretch and take a close undisputed decision in an exciting fight. Saddler's iron will spare him early.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    In fact i've changed that rule now: from now on the referee will be mid-way through the timespan separating the two fighters than the field.
     
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  5. Flea Man

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    I’ll take Arguello. Saddler’s usual size advantage won’t be a concern here and on film up in weight he doesn’t look as potent. Amazing fight, Saddler decision wouldn’t surprise me, but I’ll go for Arguello’s cleaner work to get it done. Saddler’s ability to get inside the jab would be key, and I think he’d do it quite well to be honest.
     
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  6. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've got AA in this one. It's close though. I think AA simply wins more rounds on the outside and has the strength and toughness to deal with Saddler on inside.
     
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  7. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Someone’s getting hurt here and more than likely both men.

    This clash is biblical and we’re putting two elite, highly skilled, punchers with guts a’plenty h2h in an epic. I’m just leaning towards Arguello with no confidence whatsoever.

    I’ll let the more knowledgeable guys debate this one with my avid attention but AA is one of my favourites and I’ll let that be enough to favour him...just.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    I still don't know what to write in this thread.

    I mean two aggressive offensive monsters like this, something has to give, I just don't know what.

    Saddler, for my money might just be the best in fighter in FW history. If he isn't there's only Armstrong keeping him from that title.

    So with that nugget safe and sound in my head I only have to ask one question, is Alexis good enough to outbox Saddler.

    He had the power to keep any FW honest, but I can't picture Arguello taking the role of boxer as far as he would need to in order to win this fight.

    He's too hittable and you can't be hittable against Saddler.

    Saddler brutal UD. Come from behind style.

    Would it be outlandish to say in my minds eye I'm seeing Cotto vs Margarito playing out? Is that such a bad thing to say?

    I feel like it is but I'm saying it anyway. I've just had a pause and considered deleting that but no I'm gonna stick with it.

    Saddler come from behind beatdown, maybe not a tko but by the end of the fight Arguello will look bloodied and beaten.

    Soz Alexis.
     
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  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    My man AA cleaner sharper punches. Impeccable conditioning better punch placement. I just see AA being more effective. Hard for me to put things into words sometimes. AA tight UD in a very rough physical fight
     
  10. Clinton

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    Another mouth watering matchup here. No size advantages. No Kos here either. Alexis by decision.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

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    I like this one, both thorough-bred bangers. I actually think Saddler could get the KO here. Actually, that's my pick.

    Arguello is awesome, his pin-point punching is amazing, and devastating, but I think Saddler's rough-and-tumble, dirty aggression is actually a pretty good match up for Arguello. I don't often like people walking onto ETMs punches, since it generally got people KOed.

    However, Alexis wasn't as strong at 126 imo, he'd be pushed back a bit and with Saddler's smothering, offence/defence milling, he'd end up on the ropes too much. And I don't know how well he'd take those to the body and lower. I don't think he'd take them well, and Saddler gets that late (T)KO. Olivares nearly had Arguello out. However ETM could feint well, and Pep had success using them to work shots around Saddler's active guard. Taking shots from Arguello on the chin isn't advised.

    I'd probably pick Arguello at 130, showing how close this one is. Absolutely brilliant match up, McGrain. :thumbsup:
     
  12. KeedCubano

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    I still think that favours Saddler tbh
     
  13. KeedCubano

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    That's what they should bill this one. Neither is waking up as fresh as a daisy the next morning.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Me too.
     
  15. Jester

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    What a war this would be. I see Saddler wading through Arguello's combinations to do some damage to the body. Saddler would eat a lot of punches and possibly even taste the canvas, but I Saddler's constant swarming pressure would catch up to Arguello eventually. I see Arguello taking the early rounds with his sharp and accurate punches before Saddler starts to close the gap in the mid rounds. I think the ref eventually stops it around the 14th with Arguello on the ropes taking a lot of punishment.