Fury's wins over Wlad and Wilder eclipse any single wins on Lennox's resume

It just shows this era is pretty mediocre...

 

Why don't you actually try forming an argument

 

I’m not claiming that he wasn’t old.

Again, being old and being shot are 2 different things.

My definition of being shot: Washed up. No longer capable of winning or competing at the highest level.

Mike Tyson was shot against Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.

Wladamir was a top 3 HW when he fought Fury and AJ.

Bernard Hopkins was still elite in his 40’s.

 

Perception is everything. Many people don’t rate Wilder, yet the size of the win is still huge, given the scale of the fight.

I only mention the above because that same logic can be applied to Lewis’ win over Mike Tyson. One was way past his best, while the other wasn’t any good to begin with.

That brings us on to Holyfield and Wlad. Both great fighters that where on the decline, but still elite.

After these two comparable high profile fights Lewis’ resume really just runs away with it. It’s not even close. But again, perception is everything.

 

Good point about B Hop, but Wlad looked visibly worse then before and failed to win a single fight after fighting Fury.
B Hop is an exception to the rule. Also, I doubt prime Hopkins would loose every round to Kovalev.

 

I hear you.

I just assumed that everyone’s definition of being shot was the same.

Of course, he was past his best at 40. But again, shot to me, is like Roy Jones against Joe Calzaghe. A once great fighter who could no longer compete at the highest level.

Wlad had AJ there for the taking. But Vitali was cautious and told him to back off, which he later admitted was the wrong advice. Wlad was faded, but still elite. If he’d have jumped on AJ when he had him trouble, he’d have knocked him out. And I’m sure that had that have happened, he’d have continued his career.

I’m sure that if he was to come back now, he could take a tune up or 2 and then be back in the top 10 mix again.

From what I’ve heard, he’s going to try and beat Foreman’s record. So I don’t think we’ve seen the last him.

 

The only 'moron' here is you! Why wouldn't he continue fighting then, rtard?

This is what you posted, MORON:

Yes , In terms of being able to stay in top condition for so long. Wlad was certainly one the most dedicated and hard working HWs of all time.

But somehow one of the most dedicated and hard working HW's of all time decided to retire without being SHOT? So why would he be one of the most dedicated and hardest working HW's of all time, if he would just retire without being SHOT? That's not a sign of being dedicated or hard-working!

Contradictions after contradictions!

Give it up already, MORON. You have no consistency or coherence in anything you're typing about this topic here.

I don't want to even entertain a clown like you. But it's you who can't help but respond to me virtually every time because you get butthurt and all into your little feelings when your beliefs are contravened. So you need this coping mechanism to make you feel better about your beliefs by responding with pseudo-intellectual points that are so easily contravened.

Yes, 27 year old Wladimir Klitschko's FOOTWORK was at peak level. So was Fury's at age 27. Foot-speed and footwork is pretty much unanimously accepted to be at an athlete's peak when they are still in their 20's. Footwork and foot-speed declines as they age past 30. This is very common knowledge!

So if Fury's footwork in his peak didn't allow him to get into range and land more punches on a 39 year old Wladimir Klitschko who's footwork was at the worst point of his career by virtue of being age 39, then this exposes Fury's footwork to not be that great. PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Get the hell over it!

No amount of hissy-fits is going to change this fact!

In pretty much any sport where foot speed, explosiveness, coordination, agility and balance are demanded, athletes are setting their best records in their late 20's or even earlier. This is not a coincidence!

And don't bother responding to me ever again, unless you have something coherent and logically sound to say.

 

Im not going to explain the hyperbolic spin you put to put on my posts , come up with your own counter points. If you say this or you say that , then that mean this and that means that .. Just shut up you clown!
Many guys in recent memory have retired before they became shot. But you don't follow the sport so arguing these matters with you is pointless.

So Wlad peaked at 27 and learned nothing when he paired up with Manny Steward years later?? The more you post the more you reveal yourself to be the dope you really are.
Its not surprising you want to tap out and go home.

 

Furys footwork did not peak at 27. The reasons why were already posted but you completely ignored them cos you had no counter argument.
Wtf do you mean - So if Furys footwork in his peak didn't allow him

When did I say his footwork peaked at 27? You're setting up arguments and then answering them yourself.

Fury is sitting down on his shots and stepping in behind his jab more now than he did in the past. This means means he is improving his footwork and over all skill-set.
Have you any rational counter argument to this claim?

And was Wlad peak/prime against Ross Purrity? Waiting for an answer.

 

Wrong.. When Lennox Lewis was 29 his footwork was all over the place. He improved in his 30's under the tutelage of Manny Steward.
Watch the video and educate yourself... Lewis was 29 when he squared up and got knocked out by McCall

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Fury's win over Wilder is about the same as Lewis win over Grant and Fury's win over Wlad was a bit better than Lewis win over Vitali. Eclipse? No.

 

Nah, Lewis's win over Tyson eclipses both of Fury's wins. People think a 53 YO Tyson can come back today and do damage to the HW division. And MT was way younger than Wlad when Lewis whopped him. Lewis>T. FURY

 

This premise is such a crock of **** that its funny. LL has one of the greatest resumes in modern boxing. Tyson Fury has one of the weakest resumes in modern boxing. Lennox Lewis could probably come out of retirement today and knock this idiot out.

 

Lennox’s win over Mike was obviously more entertaining than Fury’s wins over Wlad and Wilder, but it wasn’t more meaningful.

Mike Tyson was finished at that point.

 

So was Wlad. His next fight he lost by stoppage and promptly retired. Nothing says I'm done like retiring.