Prime De La Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather @140?

For me he also loses to Ross, Locche, Pryor, Benitez.

Unsure about Cervantes, Zoo, Pac and Crawford.

 

I never said that Floyd should have fought him at that weight.

I’m saying that IF Hopkins could have dropped an extra 2 pounds to have made 154 (without killing himself) that:

1. Floyd wouldn’t have taken the fight.

2. Floyd would not have beaten him.

It’s that simple.

Floyd would never have signed for the fight.

On a P4P basis, Floyd will always rank higher. But in an actual H2H fight? Forget it.

Floyd is great. Greater than Hopkins. But he wouldn’t have beaten a healthy 154 pound version of him.

He wasn’t ‘Superman’

Hopkins is an ATG MW, who was 6’1 with a 75” reach, who was obviously much bigger, heavier and stronger, with elite skills and good power.

If you think Floyd would have kicked is arse then you literally need locking up for your own safety.

 

Floyd is better than him on a P4P basis. But he could not have beaten him in an actual fight, IF Hopkins could safely have made 154.

Sort yourself out you nutcase.

 

BS.

We know what happened.

Do you think we’re stupid or something?

Look how defensive you are of Floyd.


Within the last month I have told you the following:

That in my opinion, Floyd could be the GOAT on a H2H basis.

That he had a great resume.

That he’d always have beaten Manny in my opinion.


So don’t make me out to be some sort of an irrational hater.


Floyd had already fought Oscar at JMW.

He was a JMW champ.

It was a unification fight.

He’d publicly said that he didn’t care what Canelo rehydrated to on fight night.


Yet you’ll defend that pathetic BS as Ellerbe being smart, whilst also claiming that he’d have kicked Bernard’s arse.


You are up in the clouds on some sort of mind altering drug.

 

Floyd was not a better offensive fighter. Maybe at their lightest weight they were about even. Oscar's length n power would be the difference if they fought in their prime. Just H2H I favor Oscar. No knock on Mayweather. He is one of the best to lace them up.

 

He’s on mind bending drugs.

Floyd couldn’t have beaten a healthy version of Bernard Hopkins.

 

No it's not. Oscar was a one handed shoe shine fighter with speed a jab and a left hook. His offense wasn't complicated his punch variety is low. He has a suspect ring iq as well. Thst's good enough to beat good fighters sometimes but not elites like pbf as you saw.
Pbf on the otherhand had a much more complicated offense he could throw every punch in the book with laser like accuracy could fight at all ranges and come forward or fight off his back foot. You couldn't be more wrong here. You're making a very common mistake here when assessing fighters, Workrate doesnt mean better offense always remember that.

 

You haven’t.

You’ve just said they were excuses.

They weren’t.

Most of what I said was factual.

 

I clearly said outbox. I don't see but those fighters i mentioned being able to do so.

 

Power is overrated skills arent remember that like i said earlier pbf showed you how he dealt with oscar's length when they fought. Now this fight we are talking about is at 140 where pbf was quick as a cat with more bounce he would even be harder for oscar to deal with and track down because his lateral movement was much better there. People here have it all wrong. Oscar's best chance is to fight pbf at the higher weight not the lower ones which pbf was better at. There atleast oscar has the benefit of a much slower pbf fighting out of his ideal weight.

 

I know what you said, but you only say it because you haven't watched a lot of the greats from welterweight and below.

 

Yes i have.

 

I'm just curious, why does anyone rate Gatti?

 

So makes you think he'd outbox Duilio Loi?

Break it down for me.

 

For me, Ross isn't good enough to beat Floyd. Actually, neither is Oscar but he has a collosal size advantage and his hand speed and power were much better than Ross', I think Floyd's lateral movement and in and out counters work better against Ross than they do De La Hoya, but I definitely pick Ross over Oscar.

Locche doesn't throw enough to beat Floyd IMO. For how talented he was, he was pretty one-dimensional, and I think Floyd's longer arms and hand speed takes it. This is actually one of the few fights where I pick Floyd via workrate.

Pryor has the style to beat Floyd, but I can't shake the thought of how well Arguello countered and parried vs Pryor. I'd probably pick Floyd (SD) over 12 and Aaron over 15.

Benítez is a 50/50 IMO. Wilfred more talented, Floyd more polished. I think Benítez was a little inexperienced at 140, which could be the deciding factor.

Cervantes gave good accounts of himself vs Locche and Benítez, but ultimately still lost. I think he'd do something similar with Mayweather.

Zoo normally liked out-boxer, since he could gather momentum and chase them down. However, he was often open to straight-rights and didn't have the footspeed to chase PBF IMO. Floyd would take full advantage of both.

Crawford just plain and simple, isn't good enough. I've already said why I think Pac loses.

I'd also pick Napoles to beat Floyd.