Prime De La Hoya vs Floyd Mayweather @140?

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Floyd would have beaten Bernard Hopkins and kicked his arse.

Ha!

 

Sorry pal, was working so I couldn't reply before. Ross is awesome, but I don't think he has the style to beat Floyd, he certainly has the skillset.

Locche was awesome, one of the few who have a better defence than Floyd. But I think he's too one-note and one-dimensional to beat PBF. He'd picked off at range, IMO.

Ortiz is one of my all-time favourite LWs, absolute beast. In fact, after Angott, Duran and maybe Sweet Pea, he's right there as one of my favourites. My admiration for him goes up with everything I find out about him, and whilst I've regrettably not seen as much as I'd like (I've got a massive stack of Ortiz films ready for watching, just need to find a weekend or so to go through them), I can say he's right up there with Floyd for greatness. His hitlist is mad; Laguna, Ramos, Loi, Lane, Torres, Elorde, Brown, Bizzarro ect;. I think the most insane part is that he was arguably undefeated until his FINAL FIGHT! That's like 65+ fights unbeaten, against like 20 elite fighters. Madness.

As for a Floyd fight, I tend to agree that he (Carlos) wins a very close one. Floyd was probably a bit more talented, Ortiz more polished, grittier and smarter. I think Floyd's quicker hands give Ortiz early issues, but Ortiz gets his timing down and starts to Outland Floyd. By the end of 15, it's most likely a 8-7 fight, but with a bunch of swing rounds. I reckon these two would adjust to one another over and over again, making it a wonder to watch.

Although at 135 you can count the guys who'd beat Floyd (IMO) on one (and a half ) hands. I'd only make Duran, Armstrong, Chavez, De La Hoya and Sweet Pea concrete favourites over him. Although there's a bunch of other guys who could pull it off depending on ruleset and distance. Guys like Bob Montgomery, Ike Williams and Beau Jack being the ones who come to mind.

Only Duran is unbeatable at 135 IMO.

 

Makes you wonder why these fights never happened. Or why Floyd had so many issues with fighters he fought in his own career...

 

Very defendable position, certainly on form in that 7th round. Personally I'd say that's his best overall performance, but he didn't really fight too much on the front-foot, he just fought aggressively in spurts.

Yeah, I'm not arguing De La Hoya's offence was good enough to consistently break through Floyd's defence. It wasn't.

You don't need power to be successful, but it makes a good offence devastating. Just because Floyd doesn't have much doesn't mean he has a bad offence, it just means Oscar's is better.

10 by my count, could be more or less though depending on your definition of elite. No matter how you split it, it's certainly more than Floyd.

Paez, Ruleas, Hernandez, Leija, Chavez, Carr, Coley, Campas, Vargas and Mayorga.

I agree it's not more complete, but when it comes to damaging, hurting and putting away elite fighters or even just good contenders, Oscar is clearly better than Floyd.

 

Only an idiot would believe that a guy who wouldn’t fight Canelo at 154, would fight Bernard there and beat him.

It’s frightening.

 

I'd love to hear some crackpot scheme as to why Floyd would beat Tommy Hearns. Should be cracking entertainment.

 

He fights nothing like JLC, he fights better.

 

Stylistically jlc is a harder fight for pbf than oscar is.

 

Effective? LMAO!

 

Lufcrazy apologies for the lateness I had to log off and attend my niece’s online graduation ceremony. Since you have clarified that this is at 140 and in some cases the fights would be at 15 rounds as opposed to modern times over 12 rounds distance that really creates no problems as Floyd could have fought in any era so well schooled he was by Floyd Sr and Uncle Roger. My view is as follows:

Barney Ross is a great and legendary fighter of the ages I see Floyd beating him on points over 15 rounds but no way in hell does Barney Ross get stopped especially at this weight.

Floyd would stop Tony Canzoneri within 12 rounds of a 15 round contest. Top fighter but different levels

Duilio Loi is another great fighter but I can’t see him beating Floyd by decision unless the fight was held in Italy with dodgy judges. Floyd by late knockout or even referee stopping Lou from taking further punishment or unanimous decision to Mayweather.

Carlos Ortiz is another great champion but I do think Floyd could stop Ortiz in 8 rounds

Nicolini Locche has no chance against Floyd and won’t be surprised if Floyd stopped him late.

Antonio Cervantes is an all time great of that there is no doubt but I see him losing a decision to Floyd.

Wilfredo Benitez is my guy and of all the guys you have picked Floyd could genuine lose this fight because he is facing a true genius just like himself. The difference in their careers is Floyd living the life. When they say styles make fights this would be true and I would pay to watch this. Both at their best it could resemble SRL vs Benitez but even tighter as they are both more skilled than even Leonard. I am going for a split decision draw. I honestly cannot separate them. Benitez nicknames “El Radar“ and Bible of Boxing were given for a reason. Stylistically Benitez is a highly skilled aggressive fighter with exceptional defence and Floyd is a highly skilled defensive fighter with exceptional offense particularly at 140 pounds and below. This is not a cop out I truly cannot split them with the eye of a needle. How do you see it going? I would be interested to see how you analyze it going.

What a fighter the Hawk Aaron Pryor was. I could watch his first fight with Alexis Arguello every day. This would be a difficult fight for Floyd because against a man like Pryor especially at his best ability and skills alone will not win the fight. If pushed I would say Floyd on points by split decision over 15 rounds but I can imagine Pryor winning as well. You know he beat Tommy Hearns in the amateurs which is no mean feat especially as Hearns was more boxer then than puncher.

I love Julio Cesar Chavez Sr he is my guy though I personally feel he was at his absolute best at Lightweight when he destroyed the great Edwin Rosario another guy I had so much respect for. I think Floyd beats Chavez on points and makes the necessary adjustments. Floyd was much smarter than the extremely fast Meldrick Taylor who ultimately perhaps had to much Philadelphia heart. I wish he had listened to the lessons George Benton was teaching him on Defence but no he had to fight in the pocket for all those 5 and 6 punch combinations he hit Chavez with the 1 and 2 JCC was landing were taking a toll. Great man Chavez great fighter imagine him and Pryor in a fight?

You know I believe Floyd would destroy Oscar de La Hoya at 140 pounds.

Quality man quality fighter skillful boxer puncher Kostya Tyzu. I had the pleasure of watching him fight live at the end of his career against Ricky Hatton. I am inclined to believe that if both Ricky Hatton and Cool Vince Philips stopped Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather would as well.

The great Manny Pacquiao is a phenomenon as we all know but his Daddy’s in boxing are Floyd Mayweather and Juan Manuel Marquez. Floyd beat him at 147 and he beats him at 140 pounds thoroughly outboxes him and always the chances Manny jumps into a knockout right cross or left hook.

I have a lot of respect for Bud Terence Crawford but I don’t see him beating Floyd at 140 pounds. Details matter and his relative poorer Defence and reckless streak would be his undoing against Floyd. Safe bet would be Floyd on points but I have seen some things which make me think Bud gets stopped by Floyd.

 

Floyd never said he wanted to fight for the Middleweight title it was Oscar who wanted to fight for it and was gifted to him against Felix Sturm who was cheated. Hopkins titles were on the line and the match was made at 157 at Oscar’s demands. Hopkins was the one making noises about fighting Floyd and Big Floyd said No as he won’t let Floyd who is not even really a big welterweight fight at that weight. Oscar is a dumb ****. You may not like to hear it but it’s absolutely true. You bring up BS it gets the treatment it deserves. Oscar is not someone to hold up as having intestinal fortitude he is just a fake personality trying to pretend he had a wholesome image for sponsors etc when he was an adulterous cross dressing coke head. Harsh words but true. I am sick of people trying to hold out this guy as if he is some paragon of virtue when we know the truth. Carefully matched in the early part of his career only fighting top guys when they were past it. We saw what happened when he had 50:50 Fights so behave yourself and stop the crap.

 

You should despair defending the indefensible about a Golden Girl Oscar:

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No I would not be but if he was accused you would be front of the queue proclaiming his Guilt before trial.

 

Don’t know anyone Floyd swerved as he fought all comers. Name another fighter who fought and beat as many world champions? The answer is a big fat ZERO.

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Mayweather started changing tactics in the 3rd round. Oscar was far from tired.