Andre Ward vs Michael Moorer at light-heavyweight

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by dmt, Jun 3, 2020.


Who wins in their primes at light-heavyweight?

Poll closed Jun 18, 2020.
  1. Moorer TKO

    6 vote(s)
    25.0%
  2. Moorer KO

    7 vote(s)
    29.2%
  3. Moorer UD

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%
  4. Ward TKO

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%
  5. Ward KO

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%
  6. Ward UD

    6 vote(s)
    25.0%
  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Because Ward received favourable judging.

    He clearly lost a 10-8 round. Therefore, he would have had to win 7 rounds to win the fight. I just didn't see it, and i think most people scored it for Kovalev. Ward engaged in a lot of spoiling tactics, holding, etc, and i personally don't reward that kind of fighting.

    I thought Kovalev won 7 rounds including a 10-8, so i thought he clearly won.
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Most fans can't score fights. Ward took the second half of that fight going away.
     
  3. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To me both Canelo and Kovalev are overrated
     
  4. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Canelo? How? He did beat everybody except mayweather when he was a boy. And Floyd is one of the very best ever.
     
  5. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Canelo is an excellent fighter who is the beneficiary of rigged and corrupt judging.

    He lost to GGG and was gifted a draw. And that was an aging GGG.

    How well would be do vs the 2013-2014 peak GGG?
     
  6. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sorry but canelo proved on the ring that he was much better and more versatile than golovkin. Canelo did beat him, boxing and trading blows, both ways
     
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  7. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Do you honestly believe he won or drew the first fight? Virtually no one who saw that believed it

    Also Goovkin had started to slow down around 2016. He was at his peak in 2013-15 when Canelo's team was running for the hills from him.

    Lets say for arguments sake that GGG was 10% better in 2013 than he was in 2017/18 (and thats an understatement). I doubt Canelo could win more than 2-3 rounds vs him.

    Peak GGG beats Canelo 10 times out of 10
     
  8. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The problem is that this argument is based on your fantasy, this never happened, what we know is that even if the first fight was a draw canelo kicked his ass in the rematch so he won in the ring, end of the history.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Golovkin never shook off the stand-up Eurasian am style. He never developed head movement. If you landed 5 punches to the other guy's 4 in the am system circa 20 years ago, you won the fight even if you ate those four punches. In the pros, the guy landing the cleaner more effective punches will usually get the round even they're outlanded. Canelo has a pro style, slipping punches or rolling with punches, being conservative, and making the punches count.

    Between Canelo and GGG, the only one who got a gift was GGG against D-Chenko. I also though Jacobs deserved the nod over him but that was much more ambiguous than the D-Chenko fight. No rematch given, of course.
     
  10. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    The first fight was not a draw. Golovkin won the first 9-3 or 8-4 at worst.

    Kicked his ass? Jesus. The second fight was extremely close.
     
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  11. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    We'll agree to disagree. I know how to score fights very well. Even the majority of experts thought Kovalev won.
     
  12. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Jacobs deserved the nod despite being knocked down and being on his bicyle the rest of the fight? Absolutely not. Jacobs lost clearly.

    I agree that Golovkin lost to D-Chenko but that is a completely faded Golovkin, not prime.

    If you believe Canelo was not gifted a draw in the first GGG fight, i can't help you there. It was one of the greatest robberies in modern boxing. GGG landed the better punches, controlled the fight, and landed punches that were just as clean and hard. It was not remotely close.
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    False
     
  14. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok you are a GGG fan
     
  15. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    It is a testament to how boring Andre Ward is that a hypothetical about "him vs." devolved into yet another "GGG/Canelo" thread.:deal: