the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Carlos Monzon vs Bennie Briscoe II November 11, 1972

Two fighters with reputations for being pretty tough and, even if going off just this one fight alone, they'd be reputations well deserved.
So we have a rematch of a fight that ended in a draw which I don't believe exists online and all I have read of the first fight is a paraphrased quote said to be from Briscoe, stating that a draw in Argentina is a win in the States. If so, then in the intervening 5 yrs, Monzon improved enough to take practically every round. The whole fight is this: Monzon walks backwards while Bennie follows/stalks almost obediently with no real attempts to cut off the ring or anything and, over what must've been a painful 15 rds for Bennie, paints him with numerous, numerous hard shots. Monzon has Briscoe going multiple times in the later rounds, 13, 14, 15, but that mentioned toughness is displayed. For all the painting though, Briscoe does have a moment in the 9th where MW history almost went off script. During lap 47 around the ring, as Monzon is about to maneuver out of his corner it happens. It is a huge right that causes a reaction some refs today would likely stop a fight over. Monzon pinballs in the corner and eats a left too and then...gets outta the round. Re-assumes control and history goes on as we all know it to be. But on some counter Earth.... Anyway, interesting enough fight. Monzon takes every round but the 9th. I have watched a handful of the available Monzon fights and it is somewhat perplexing how...no, nevermind. I'll leave it at that.

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I had it 114-114 although I'm sure I've had for Morales before. His last great win.

 

While it wouldn't have been a great win, it most certainly should have been one, that being the David Diaz fight which was after the two Pac losses. Been meaning to write about that one, some interesting shenanigans of sorts. His last great fight he was in though was the Maidana fight, which I score a draw, but my score doesn't carry too much weight

EDIT: While my scoring admittedly doesn't carry much weight, well, in actuality, it carries absolutely zero weight. If possible, it carries negative weight. But, it oh so obviously should carry crazy, outrageously ridiculous, roid raging, power lifter type weights!! It very obviously should!!

 

Rafael Herrera v Ruben Olivares 2

Non-title 10 rounder rematch of two Mexican bantamweight greats. Herrera had subsequently lost the title he had won in their first fight against Enrique Pinder and would get another crack at it by beating Olivares here.

This was a very close fight in which after an even battle over the first four rounds, Herrera took a clear lead in the middle rounds including a knockdown in the 7th before Olivares staged a rally to edge it in rounds on my card (but based on a ten point must I made it a draw).

I wavered on the 5th, which I first gave to Herrera before changing it to even. Olivares seemed content to box off the back foot while Herrera tried to press the action. That seemed enough (along with the knockdown) to convince two of the judges to award him the win.

Some decent action, particularly over the last three rounds, although not a classic.

1 10-9
2 9-10
3 10-9
4 9-10
5 10-10
6 10-9
7 10-8 (a left hook drops Olivares. He's not hurt)
8 9-10 (close)
9 9-10
10 9-10

95-95

In rounds, Olivares wins 5 to 4 with 1 even. On a ten point must, I have this a draw.

 

You've got my curiosity piqued. I need to check out Morales v Diaz.

 

Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez W12 Michael Carbajal

I hadn't seen this one yet, having read at the time that it was a tame, somewhat limited fight in comparison with the first explosive encounter. I suppose in terms of being a raw slugfest they had a point, but I thoroughly enjoyed this.

This fight showed to me what a truly complete fighter Gonzalez was. Doing away with the balls-out attack of the first bout that saw him way ahead on points before succumbing to Carbajal's power, Chiquita boxed like a dream, making the stationary Carbajal look slow and unable to get off. For his part, Carbajal came in looking strong and confedent, clearly expecting a fight like the first time and looked to wing powerful if singular counters, intent on sopping his opponent in the same manner as the first fight.

He was wrong. Chiquita moved in and out brilliantly, switching up between orthodox and southpaw and his head movement was just outstanding, a real clinic. Carbajal's right hands sailed over his head almost every time, and Michael couldn't get close enough to unleash his hook. He had to be content with plodding after the Mexican, looking to load up.

At the end of the third, a clash of heads revealed a nasty cut on the inside of Gonzales' left brow, and it bled terribly the rest of the way. it was a shame because you could see a lesser fighter buckling under this new stress and lose his composure. He fought brilliantly instead, content to box for the next two rounds flawlessly, countering well.

In the sixth, perhaps because the ring doctor might have threatened a stoppage, Chiquita came alive and moved forward, mixing it up in a similar fashion to their first fight. While this was obviously what Carbajal wanted, he couldn't take full advantage as the movement was still there; Gonzales moving in, flurrying around the head and underneath, and then darting out or to the side, just in time to miss Carbajal's counters most of the time. He was doing it all, boxing first, slugging later, and getting away with everything. I had Carbajal winning the sixth and 8th, and while other rounds were close, couldn't give him more. Just a terrific display of skills and savvy and focus from Gonzalez, who redeemed himself well.


1. G
2. G
3. G
4. G
5. G
6. C
7. G
8. C
9. G
10. G
11. G
12. G

118-110 Gonzales

 

Hey man, where did you get that Laguna-Ortiz 3 fight, I can't find it at all on the net.

 

Sorry, I should clarify. This is their second fight.

 

David Diaz vs Erik Morales
The following is pieced together from a few comments on the fight I left elsewhere so it is the reason for the disjointed flow.
So, a guy who has a channel (edit in 1/8/20 channel taken down, was called APG Junior) on which he posts boxing matches, such as this fight here, as they were aired in Brazil, so the commentary is in Portuguese, but as is often the case, audio quality, or just what audio is aired during fights big enough that they're broadcast across the world, is often different from country to country. I bring this up because I never really noticed this conversation that takes place in the Diaz corner prior to the start of the 12th rd. After hearing it, I then went back and listened to the American broadcast and, in my opinion, it's one of those things where, unless you really know what it is that you're listening for, it's not very likely you'll catch it. Anyhow, they very much thought they were losing this fight going into the 12th rd, telling Diaz "You might not need a knockout, but you gotta knock this mother*ucker...." can't tell the rest for sure. But, at least I now know that, although Erik destroyed Diaz's right eye in this fight, he didn't knock the sense or sight outta the heads of David's cornermen.
1) This was judge Nobuaki Uratani's 10th fight ever judged, not 10th title fight, 10th fight ever.
2) Judge Robert Hecko, he appears to be much more experienced, but, go figure, he lives in Chicago, which is surely only a coincidence that this also is the hometown and residence of Diaz.
3) Third judge, who also gave the fight to Diaz was from Mexico, so either he's blind or paid for. Erik shoulda known he was gonna need a KO to get outta Chicago with that title.
Morales knocks Diaz down at the tail end of the first round and the commentators are going on about how it shouldn't be 10-8 to Morales which I do not agree with. Diaz was in no way controlling or beating Erik up to the degree where he should be given a 10-9 in my opinion
RD 3 Morales putting the lesson on easily
Rd 4 More of the same. Morales just landing the more obviously clean and effective shots. Of what rounds are to be scored on he is doing all four the best.
RD 5 Morales has already secured a draw on this reporters card. From here Morales is tiring but still takes a few rounds and always has his moments where you clearly see all of his best attributes displayed. Diaz is dirty. Glad Manny erased the guy
Morales Diaz
1) 10 8
2) 10 9
3) 10 9
4) 10 9
5) 10 9
6) 10 9
7) 9 10
8) 9 10
9) 10 9
10) 9 10
11) 10 9
12) 9 10
Morales wins 116 to Diaz's 111

 

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Just warming up before Ortiz-Laguna I. Why not go with Laguna at, or near his best?

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10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9 (50/45)
10 : 9
10 : 9
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Can't believe this is my first time watching 'prime' Laguna, I'd only ever seen the Saldívar fight. Oh my days, in this he looks like a freak of nature.

I love that typically Panamanian style. The slick upper-body movement, constant baiting, feinting, shifting and skating combined with his snappy jab and sharp straight right makes for a very tough opponent. A nice, short, tight right uppercut, and a snappy, dynamic left hook which was so short, it almost came out of nowhere. However, what I like about Laguna's style even more is that he had so many options.

He liked to out-box Mando on the front-foot, but whenever Ramos got brave (which was more often than you'd expect) he could switch things up. Using his long jab, height advantage, and lateral movement he out-boxed Mando on the back-foot too. Since he was predominantly the aggressor, he often ended up on the inside; where he more than held his own. Just being so damn versatile proves how high a ring IQ this monster had.

Credit to Ramos too, who showed immense heart and talent. He never gave in, even when he was having his face split open and ripped apart. He was pretty competitive at times, particularly in the 3rd.

 

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Good Lord, what a performance!

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9 : 10
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9*
9 : 10* (48/47)
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9 (98/92)
10 : 9
10 : 9
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This quality footage is awful. Alas, you work with what you have, I suppose. Like Gomez-Marcel I, this being a MD is a complete disservice to the Panamanian's ATG performance. Abysmal judging.

The Colombo Tiger hardly put a foot wrong here. His timing was flawless, so were his feet and mind. He was sooooo creative and just all in all firing on ALL cylinders. His shoulder-roll counters were as crisp as they come, and when he started chaining them into combinations through the mid rounds **** got ugly.

I knew Laguna was highly regarded, now I know why! Just from what I'm seeing here, and given the calibre of opponent it's being done to, I think Laguna could genuinely beat ANY LW ever.

 

George, there was a story about that judge that scored the bout a draw. His name was Ben Greene and I don't even know what you would call him, because he wasn't a judge. What he was, was a buddy of Ortiz' manager Bill Daly who was somehow elevated into a judge's position for the fight. There was also the story that he practically had to run out of Panama because they wanted to string him up for that appalling verdict. I also remember him as a writer for a publication called 'the sporting news' in the States, where he would offer his insight and odds on fights in his column, but again, shadily, he would really be pushing a certain fighter as the next champ. Guys who I was saying, "Who?" The last thing I heard about him was from Harold Lederman, who told me he was driving back to NY from a fight night in AC or Philly and as he was driving along he saw two cars pulled over on the highway and the two drivers squaring off to go at it. He laughed when he said it was Flash Gordon - another eccentric - and Ben Greene. Incidentally, boxrec has the wrong info on Ben Greene. They have him down as Ben Green, the referee from England who had retired some 10 years earlier (actually I think his license was lifted).

 

It's on YouTube mate

 

Full thing?

 

It's highlights... Tbf a full version probably exists somewhere