1952 Rocky Marciano vs 1960 Cleveland Williams

No Rocky did not have the same arsenal as Sonny Liston. But Rocky would not need to be so clean and methodical as Sonny because Marciano was equally effective with his bone crunching onslaughts at the highest possible level. It might take longer. It might not be as clean. But the result would be just as emphatic.

 

I was only comparing Williams and LaStarza's record levels. Neither man was a world beater, yet both were skilled men who knew how to give fits.

 

Marciano was 5ft 11 and Satterfield was listed as 6ft 1!
In picture with Satterfield, Williams looks atleast 3 or 4 inches taller than Satterfield!Williams was 6ft4 and Satterfield was 6ft1 as he was listed!
2 or 3 inches but Marciano is bigger man and was HW and bigger man while Satterfield was undersized even as LHW because he was MW!

 

All incorrect.
Marciano was 5'10.1/2" .Williams 6 '3".Satterfield 6'2"
Satterfield fought at 185lbs several times.Versus Harold Carter, and John Holman for example.

 

Would those 2 men be favored over a '62 Williams? Cause I'd damn sure favor Jones over a 20 year old Marciano who had yet to pick up a glove, and a 37 year old Rocky Marciano (who was long retired at that age) with a .357 round in his intestine, an atrophied leg, and partial paralysis.

Contenders weren't all that keen to step in the ring with Williams. Ali and Dundee were known to have steered clear of Williams in '61 and '62. Patterson almost certainly avoided him as well. I think Janitor put it best here.

Here's a contemporary news article right before his first fight with Liston. "Nobody among the heavyweights will fight Cleveland Cilliams or "Charles (Sonny) Liston, so they will fight each other here Wednesday night." https://www.newspapers.com/clip/51391573/hartford-courant/

 

Incorrect!
Cleveland height 6′ 2″ / 188cm
reach 80″ / 203cm
Satterfield height 6′ 2″ / 188cm
But watching those two together Williams is atleast 3 inches taller!

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So Satterfield is 6ft or under!

Only in his last fights where he was not in shape,washed and ancient!
In his prime he was never close to 180lb!

 

Sylvester Jones was LHW also!
Cleveland Williams fought him in 50s,and guy was born in 1910s!
I would favor even a green Marciano against guy with that weak record of Jones and who was LHW!
Like I said green Marciano knocked Simmons and prime Williams only won UD against washed Simmons!
So guy who knocked so many guys after that shoot was unable to defend himself because a bullet but how then he knocked 7 guys after Ali fight including Leroy Caldwell?So your excuse does not have and sense!

 

This. Satterfield was around 5’10”. I remember even the announcers mentioning how much Valdez towered over him and laughed at the idea of Satterfield being 6’2”. Even Ezzard Charles was taller than Satterfield and Charles was 6 foot at most in shoes.

 

good points. Valdez was 6'3'' and looked twice Satterfield's size. Actually, after seeing how big Valdes was against Moore, I'd say Satterfield was about Moore's size. A bit exaggerated though, saying Satterfield was 6/2'' and around the middleweight.

 

Correct. The film of Satterfeild vs Valdes shows Bob was absolutely dwarfed by 6’3” Valdes.

Satterfeild was a little guy.

 

still not close to a middlweight

 

You would favor a 20 year old Rocky, who at that age had not even picked up a glove?

A flat out lie. Williams was 20 years old, and had yet to his prime for another 9 years. This was before his loss to Jones, who you admitted beat a green Williams. So unless Williams went from prime in one fight, to being green in his next. You lied. Also here is a newspaper preview of Williams vs Simmons. Please show me where you get the impression that Simmons is "washed". https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53445294/the-tampa-tribune/

Leroy Caldwell? Seriously? Leroy Caldwell was a glorified clubfighter! On top of that he was in his 7th pro fight, and yet knocking him out in ten rounds is some sort of proof Williams' getting shot had no effect on him whatsoever? lol You're a clown and by far the worst poster here who takes themselves seriously. I'm embarrassed to be even engaging with you. You don't deserve the luxury of a response.

 

A flat out lie. Williams was 20 years old, and had yet to his prime for another 9 years. This was before his loss to Jones, who you admitted beat a green Williams. So unless Williams went from prime in one fight, to being green in his next. You lied. Also here is a newspaper preview of Williams vs Simmons. Please show me where you get the impression that Simmons is "washed".

Leroy Caldwell? Seriously? Leroy Caldwell was a glorified clubfighter! On top of that he was in his 7th pro fight, and yet knocking him out in ten rounds is some sort of proof Williams' getting shot had no effect on him whatsoever? lol You're a clown and by far the worst poster here who takes themselves seriously. I'm embarrassed to be even engaging with you. You don't deserve the luxury of a response.[/QUOTE]
Cleve was pretty shot after, well-being shot. He was old too. So all the stoppages by Ali, Jones, Lewis, and Foster are not impressive-only on paper. Also, Cleve was several fights where he was knocked down by even lower opposition than Jones, Lewis, and Foster.

 

The stoppage by Ali will always be very impressive regardless of Williams condition. Just look at Ali's performance. He did things in this fight he'd never done before nor again including boxy punching. He showed a dazzling combination of speed and power.

 

You think a picture with Satterfield hunching over is proof of anything?