James Jeffries vs Deontay Wilder

Just like how the "too big" argument has been blown out of the water. So too has the "too modern" argument.

What you have to remember is boxing is combat between two men under a set of rules. You can't use a blanket statement like the two above the same way you can't say "he loses because he's an out fighter and they always lose to pressure fighters" you have to evaluate boxing case by case.

And that's exactly what has to be done here, evaluated case by case.

If you think Wilder wins, analyse it stylistically, think about what his advantages are and what his disadvantages are. Think about what his game plan would be and if it would work.

Don't be lazy and thrown out "modern fighter wins"

Boxing technique has progress by way of learning what worked for those who came before. Take that technique, tweak it to your advantages and see if you can make it better.

Here's a microcosm aspect of this. Lewis and Wlad. Wlad saw all of Lewis's career. He had a trainer who had followed Lewis's whole career and trained him during the most successful part of that career. They took a style used by Lewis, improved it from a technical point of view, all with a guy was taller and quicker than Lewis.

But put a thread up asking who wins, Lewis or Wlad. And we both know who almost every one will go for.

They'll pick Lewis, because he can expose a weakness of Wlads in a big way.

No matter how much taller Wladimir is, or how much more modern his training was, or how much he could learn from seeing those who came before him, Lewis would more than likely push his **** in.

Sometimes "big" and "modern" just don't cut it.

 

I find it bizarre that some people are predicting an early stoppage for Wilder.

Jeffries was only ever stopped, or even dropped for that matter, in the last fight of his career, against a prime all time great, after a long absence from the ring!

How would you even begin to justify that prediction?

 

Wilder isn't actually that big.

His prime weight was probably less than Jeffries.

 

I suppose that would be countered by the question of
How many times was he it by a 200lbs plus top level puncher?
The answer to which is NEVER.

 

How many times was Wilder hit by somebody rankled int eh top ten, and how did it work out for him?

 

Some people her must have a very high opinion of Stiverne and Ortiz!

 

Jeffries will probably knock him down in route to decision at worst...wilder cant take it but he does have footwork....jeffries was great and made of concrete

 

I think if Wilder was around in 1990 Holyfield would never have been champion.

 

How is he a 3rd rater when he's among the best in the modern day HW division?

 

Coz the modern HW division isn't all that. It's merely good.

 

I would honestly take Jefferies and I don't care who disagrees.

 

Yeah but he still wouldn't be a 3rd rater. Plus people were saying that when the K2 brothers were reigning.

 

Nah, if wilder was fighting actual competition rather the swill he given by the WBC, he'd have been shown up as a third rater.

 

But you can only beat those who are around. Granted, he hasn't fought AJ or Ruiz yet, outside of Fury he has been beating everyone around. I think Wilder will be ranked higher as time goes on. Back in the 80s when Tyson was on a war path through the division, people were saying the same thing about him and his competition and now in retrospect, we see that Prime Tyson was a H2H monster. Even prime Ali dealt with the same thing. Most people wouldn't have picked him to beat the champions of the past like Dempsey, Tunney or Jefferies. There was serious question if he could beat Marciano. Now people take it for granted that he'd have beaten them all 50 years later. The only one who'd still get any argument at all is Marciano.