James Jeffries vs Deontay Wilder

The problem Jeffries faces is that Wilder's power is insane, for all his other flaws, and Jeffries relatively short reach will lead to him coming forward a lot. Fury was able to put on pressure while staying relatively safe due to his reach, while Jeffries will really have to close the gap.

I think to win Jeffries would really to take Wilder out of his comfort zone early, and hurt Wilder.

In a lot of ways I think the styles favour Wilder, but then again Jeffries through his career showed a consistent ability to adapt, come on strong and battle through adversity, he was good at adapting during the fight even when giving up experience. Wilder on the other hand is one of he most one dimesional boxers at the top level ever, with a large reliance on opponents making mistakes to land bombs, and very poor at initiating offence.

In the end I'll pick Jeffries, but despite being one of his biggest defenders here, I'm not that confindent. Jeffries was pretty adaptable, but I don't think he had as good a style as someone like Dempsey (who I rate much lower overall) for fighting guys of Wilder's dimensions, and he'd need to adapt quickly, and he'd have little room for error.

 

Nothing Jeff faced in his own time could prepare him for someone like Wilder. He's going to be coming forward against a KO artist with long arms who routinely turns men of Jeff's size (and bigger) into highlight reels. Jeff thought Choynski hit hard, so Lord knows what he'll think when Wilder hits him. Wilder KO.

 

No Fury said this afterwards. 4-6-2020

"I saw the Dominic Breazeale fight," Fury told DAZN News at Tuesday's media roundtable. "In the first round, he got wobbled himself. He got clipped. Then I seen him knock him out with the right hand. That really wasn’t an improvement. That’s just what he does. In the second fight with Ortiz, it was pretty much similar to the first fight but a little bit shorter. In my opinion, I had him losing every round until the knockdown. Pretty much similar to the first fight. I kept giving the rounds to Ortiz. His legs just got tired because he’s so old. He stood there for too long and he got clipped and that was it. He even got up back up.

"He can’t even keep a 50-year-old man off of his back. We’re talking about the biggest puncher in history. He can’t even keep a 50-year-old down." - Tyson Fury


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Wilder can punch, but I think the media ( guys like Max Kellerman ) went over board. Here's the difference. Guys like Tyson, Liston, Wlad or Foreman Ko'd men ranked in the top ten under the age of 35 plenty. Who has Wilder stopped that was Ring Magazine ranked under age 35? Zero. Does that make sense?

Boxing has lots of heavyweight punchers, who will clean up on top 25-50 types or older / out of shape fighters. Wilder has excellent management. I believe this.

Power is tied to class. Wilder is 0-3 for stoppages vs. ranked men in their prime. One should not have been ranked and was 36, but I'll give that a pass for this point. The other has a medium level chin who was floored by a cruiser weight.

Ortiz who was old and never really beat anyone in the top ten himself ( I think ) had Wilder hurt and holding on. Wilder won when he gassed. If Ortiz was 4 years young say his mid 30's, he takes this. Once you hit the late 30's the bottom drops out from underneath you unless your a work out freak.

There's no way Wilder last vs. Jeffries, who just might stop him with body shot, or ten count him with his hook. Wilder can't box, can't take a punch and is not hard to hit. Mark my words, as soon as he fights a top ten man in his prime, he's getting Ko'd again.

 

"Probably"? Funniest thing I've read all day.

Wilder by brutal 7th round KO.

 

Fury went over to Wilder in the ring ,after their second fight ,and said you really wobbled me early.

 

Its amusing referencing the age of Wilders opponents,and talking about primes when a nearly 40 years old ,coming out of a two years retirement , supermiddleweight, smashed Jeffries face to bits for 8 rds. Posters are entitled to make a case either way here, I do myself,but make it on the basis of facts not hero worship.

 

Jeffries would have to get inside that extended wingspan and go to the body, and be prepared to take punishment to do so.I believe he would, that was his MO,but he was never hit like Wilder would hit him.

 

This is why I can't get into these types of discussions anymore.

Now Wilder can't punch?

Who is in the Ring top 10 currently who is in his prime who is knocking out Wilder? Name them all. Give us this huge list of guys who would stop the "can't-punch-his-way-out-of-a-wet-paper-sack" Wilder?

I want to mark your words.

 

It's mind numbing.

If Wilder didn't knock out someone who was born between January and April, under a full moon, whose grandma was named Alice, then clearly he can't punch. (LOL) Jesus.

 

If power was measured purely by results, and the dismissal of testimonials, how would that explain Shaver's reputation as a puncher?

I actually think this is really good matchup, and tough to call. What's abundantly clear to me, is that Wilder is one of the hardest punchers in the history of the division.

 

Jeffries fought Choynski in something like his 6th fight.

Wilder, with his additional amateur and olympic experience, was down against Dustin Nicols after 10 professional fights.

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And while Choynski was an experienced amatuer and professional champion, Dustin hadn't beaten anyone with a recorded win.