James Jeffries vs Deontay Wilder

You are either a huge puncher or you are not.Quality of opposition can obviously impact on your success in landing that power, but it has no bearing on whatever power you possess,only the efficiency with which you are able to deliver it.
Basically. Either you got it or you aint!

 

Jeffries defended his title against men with the following records
11-3-3
10-3-3
4-2-4
7-0-2

 

Those knocking Wilders defences should perhaps bear in mind the following.
Jeffries defended his title against men with the following records
11-3-3 Been retired for 3 years.
10-3-3 Been retired for a year and a half.
4-2-4 Ko'd in previous fight and had won 1 of last 4 fights and 2 of last 6 fights.
7-0-2

 

Funny how Wilder has ONE loss to a guy nearly everyone on this forum considers a phenom and a h2h monster, a 6'9 big man who can box and slug, fight righty or leftie and had more than 30 lbs over him and now Wilder is "garbage" and "any decent fighter who can box would waste him". Some of these same people now rate Fury highly because of this win, but I thought Wilder was a bum??? How does that work?

One loss and it doesn't matter that he had more title defenses than Mike Tyson, Liston, Baer, and several other boxers Who are on a pedestal and had a higher KO% than any HW champion in history. Now apparently he can't punch either??? How the hell did he make it this far if he apparently has "no skill" and a "glass jaw"? Can Someone point out to me a SINGLE boxer in history who lacked skill, durability, and power yet became a champion with several title defenses and stopped more than 90% of their opponents???

One loss and he's garbage yet some of the posters in this very thread defend old school fighters who have losses in the double digits! Some of those same fighters have a resume full of guys with horrendous records that look no better than some of Wilder's early opponents. Yes I'm obviously referring to Jefferies' record which is full of smaller, older men with terrible records yet a skilled undefeated Ortiz with a great amateur background is a mediocre win??? Make that make sense for me.

This is some incredible goal post shifting and hypocrisy!

 

Correct

 

I agree. And only 3 idiots say that wilder is garbage.
You have to be very good to beat Deontay Wilder, not because he has great skill but he only needs a single shot to put you to sleep so you have to survive all the fight and at the same time doing enough to win.

 

I think having a 52lbs advantage negates the impressiveness somewhat, and remember he didn't with this fight it was a draw and some felt Choynski was unlucky not to get the win. Daniel Dubois v Canelo Alvarez?

 

We're talking about people with no recorded wins over people with any recorded wins.

Choynski was a far more proven heavyweight, even only looking at his record against people over 200Ibs

 

We are talking about a super middleweight facing a heavyweight, conceding 52lbs to him, going 20 rounds with him, and holding him to a draw.
Name 3 fighters of over 20Olbs Choynski beat?


Dunkhorst?lol

 

What ratings are you going by? Because pretty much of all Wilder's defences were against men in the WBC's top 10 (Arreola was unranked because he tested positive for weed).

 

Mark this, to open up with your words are wrong.

Jeffries beat guys from 170-215. The bigger opponents lasted less time. You can look it up.

Fury was down by a blown up cruiser weight in Cunningham who was 36 years old and has a ko% of just 33% Were you aware of that fact? It shows Fury's chin level.

Wilder is a piped leg guy with medium level skills at best, who conveniently used steroids to get out of fights, and in some cases waiting for guys to be 40+ to sign. He's got a certifiable glass jaw. Did you see how early Fury, who is not known as a puncher, hurt him? This is key.

Who in the current Ring Top 10 are knocking out Wilder you ask? A better way to put it, is who in the top ten hits harder than Fury.

Joshua, Whyte, Ruiz jr ( In shape ) Parker, and maybe Povetkin depending on his shape as he's 40, which could mean he'll become a guy Wilder's management might risk a fight with. The bottom half of today's top ten won't be there for long. I'd replace #8,#9 and #10 with Joyce, Hrgovic, and Ajagba, who would give Wilder spaghetti legs once hit cleanly. That's 8 names.

In the meantime, Wilder will be 35 this October. He's mentally shot, making excuses, and has yet to beat one ranked contender in ring magazine's top 10 below the age of 36.

In fantasy fights Wilder matches up poorly vs. punchers. Jeffries just want a puncher, he had an iron body, limitless stamina, fast hands, an all-time body puncher and was far stronger than Wilder. His defense improved as his career progressed. 120 years ago he fought around 220 pounds. Today he'd be 230.

Wilder fans better hope he's not matched with a top ten guy like I mentioned because he will surely get stopped. And they better hope Fury doesn't lose badly to Joshua, as they need Fury to be highly respected considering the pasting he gave to Wilder. IMO, Wilder's time as a highly ranked guy will end as soon as he fights someone decent who's not old and can punch.

 

Joe McAuliffe would make three. The wasn't too hard.

Choynski must be your favorite fighter, you love to crow at his weight. He was a light heavyweight type, who KO'd one Jack Johnson cold. Here you'll say his power, which shockingly lacks many KO's vs medium or lower level guys as the excuse.

When he fought a fighter you don't care for, in other words a white lineal champion such a Corbett or Jeffries, you go the other way saying he was too small.

We all see the joke and double standard. It does not get old.

 

He beat McAuliffe

And frankly a win over Dunkhorst is far better than anything those guys have, in that Ed won professional boxing matches

 

Yes he beat McAuliffe ,care to tell me what McCauliffe weighed for that fight , because nobody else knows?
Dunkhorst was a fat pudding who couldn't fight.