If Lacy hadn't fought Calzaghe..

I've always been a MASSIVE Jeff Lacy fan due to sentimental reasons, and I picked him against Joe for a combination of those sentimental reasons and the hype - of which a lot was legit.

Then I remember seeing the fight, or I think I do, it was just kind of this case, like Chernobyl of the boxing world just melted down.

I can't come close to recalling a major fight whe re more experts got more predictions wrong than this one. Calzaghe was rarely even predicted to win, let alone do so in the manner he did.

I really can't even recall what happened after that. Drugs? Lots of hard drugs? I'm pretty sure that was a given but nothing in boxing history since I have been a fan has thrown the boxing world so off kilter.

Not even when Amir Khan merrily walked his way right into Prescott's fist and KO'd himself in under 30 seconds, and that had shock value for days. I remember too because I just got back from Iraq and all my friends knew I was a huge Khan fan and they all hated him. My buddy comes up to me big crap eating grin in between cigarette puffs "You're boy Khan, the guy we have all been telling you sucks for a couple years, he just got out brutally in under 30 seconds, and it was so brutal and bad that TV screens across the world were screaming 'finish him!' Mortal Kombat style."

I remember when I heard that, I knew to my core it was true, I just knew it, and boxing ceased being right for a long time after that, but nothing like the Lacy loss.

 

No, not on accomplishments, of course not.

Everyone has different criteria.

Mine is resume and H2H ability.

Personally, I could never rate a guy above someone who I didn’t think they were better than.

Joe has the best stats at the weight because he had 44 fights there.

However, IMHO, he doesn’t have a better win than Roy’s win over Toney, he wasn’t as great as Roy, and he wouldn’t have beaten him in a fight.

Joe’s wins over Lacy and Kessler are no better than Roy’s win over Toney.

Joe’s second tier wins are on a par with Roy’s win over Malinga.

The majority of Joe’s wins were against mostly B and C class fighters.

So yes, in terms of accomplishments, Joe’s number 1. But in terms of ability, he just wasn’t as good as as what Roy was in his prime.

Roy was on another level.

Regarding Toney, he was a top 3, P4P fighter when Roy beat him, going into the ring after recently knocking out Charles Williams and Tim Littles.

 

Jeff Lacy had an impressive amatuer record but he had maxed out his potential toward the end. But, by then, the amateur boxing establishment in the U.S. decided he was going to be a star so pushed him ahead.

But there was a 6'5" southpaw middleweight named Arthur Palac who kind of owned Lacy.

Palac beat Lacy in the 99 nationals. In the 2000 Olympic box-offs, Palac beat Lacy again. They met one last time to see who qualified for the Olympics. The fight was televised nationally. I recorded it. Palac seemed to win easily, which would've been his third win over Lacy in a row. But using the hand-held clickers they had then, where all the judges had to push buttons within a second of each other if they saw a punch land, Palac lost a highly controversial decision by a single point.

Lacy went to the Olympics and never even medaled. Palac was bitterly disappointed and never turned pro.

When Lacy turned pro, Showtime signed a bunch of American Olympians and heavily hyped Lacy basically just on his build and his star potential, not on anything he accomplished at the Olympics themselves.

I think, when he was scheduled to turn pro, Showtime said Lacy's opponent saw him take off his shirt, and then the opponent didn't show up for the fight. They made a big deal out of that. It was really just silly hyping.

Lacy was a good fighter. He wasn't special by any means. Right place. Right time. Got a network to hype him to the gills. Picked up a vacant belt.

If he had to beat a champ for a belt, like a Terrell Gausha, he may not have won one at all.

He was really just another in a long list of guys who would win a belt, hold it for a couple defenses, and then go away. And that's what happened.

If you were a long-limbed southpaw and you could box (like Palac), Lacy was going to have a hard time.

And Calzaghe was definitely that.

 

That’s fine.

With Roy, it’s not just his ability, it’s the fact that he also beat Toney with absolute ease, who was a great fighter himself, and in form.

All Joe has in his favour is numbers.

Most of his 44 wins consist of B and C class guys.

His wins over Lacy and Kessler were his best wins. But they weren’t as good as Roy’s win over Toney.

His second tier wins were on the level of Roy’s wins over Malinga and Lucas.

The other ones were low level.

He didn’t beat anybody better than who Roy did, he just beat more opponents.

Toney was stupid with his weight, but nobody ever beat him that easy.

Joe used to come down from over 190 pounds to make SMW.

 

Nothing in Jones Jrs career was more impressive than Calzaghe's beautiful artistic schooling of Jeff Lacy. Or Calzaghes high ring IQ performance against Kessler the way he changed his tactics halfway through the fight,

Maybe I'll take your advice and will stick on a prime Jones Jr getting knocked out by Tarver and the gatekeepr Glen Johnson! Jones Jr was getting knocked out in his so called prime, Calzaghe was beating everyone when he was green, in his prime and past his prime without making excuses.. Jones Jr lost 9 times, Calzaghe lost ZERO times.

 

jones Jr beatin Ruiz for a HW belt shits on Joe's win over Lacy....

 

Spoken like a true casual.

 

This guy is like the ones you see commenting on social media.

He obviously knows absolutely nothing of Roy’s career.

 

Was I wrong that Jones Jr got knocked out twice in his so called 'prime' that you are talking about?

Calzaghe was the much better overall fighter. Jones' chin was made of GLASS, one of the most chinny fighters of this era.

 

Wow.

You’re so out of your depth here, it’s painful.

Absolutely cringeworthy.

 

Whatever legacy Jones Jr had, he ruined it by continuing to fight and lose so many times. He's no ATG.

 

Like I said, cringeworthy.

 

Jones Jr was knocked out in his prime twice = fact

Jones Jr was very chinny = fact

Cazaghe was an exceptional fighter who never lost = fact

Jones Jr lost 9 times = fact

Why does the truth hurt you so much?

 

your fanboyism and sensitivity over anything said about the ped cheat Jones Jrs career is the definition of cringeworthy.