Prime Mike McCallum beats Canelo or GGG like a drum

I hear you.

I’m a fan of GG myself.

Under different circumstances, he could have had a much stronger resume.

Like you’ve said, he just couldn’t get the fights. But it doesn’t alter any of what I’ve said.

In my honest opinion, Mike was just a better fighter.

He too would have had a big undefeated streak had he have fought GG’s opponents.

There’s no reason why Mike couldn’t have beaten him.

He was far more proven against every style, where he fought very good-great fighters, most of whom were at their best.

We saw him against a huge puncher in Jackson.

We saw against a very skilful fighter in Kalambay.

We saw him against 2 young and extremely strong fighters in Watson and Collins.

We saw him against a very fast and awkward southpaw in Herol Graham.

We saw him against an ATG in his prime against Toney.

We’ve never seen GG in those kinds of fights. Yes, he could have beaten the guys who Mike did. But he didn’t. We’ve never seen him in there with someone crafty or slick. We’ve never seen him deal with a huge puncher or a fast southpaw with a huge reach. We’ve never seen him fight an elite level guy like Toney. Only Canelo can compare to Toney. So as great as he is, he hasn’t proved that he could do what Mike did. So I think it’s silly to claim that Mike wouldn’t/couldn’t have beaten him.

 

He was on about Jacobs in his response that I agreed with, him being bigger and stronger than McCallum. Yes McCallum hurts Floyd and stops him at 160, defo don't get made for that reason

 

Gotcha.

 

Lemieux is a great puncher. Guys like Stevens and Jacobs can likewise switch the lights off with one shot.
Monroe and Geale were supposed to be slick movers. We know how that turned out.
Canelo is defensively top shelf, with an iron chin and fast hands. We've seen how he did against a past prime GGG.
Murray is a tough as teak fighter that arguably should have a win over Martinez. He went the same way.
Proksa was rated by some as better than Pirog and unorthodox and tricky when Golovkin fought and ruined him.

Ultimately, a prime GGG wrecked every single fighter that he ran across, while McCallum, good as he was, lost in his prime and scraped some wins that some thought he lost. Golovkin is the one with 20 consecutive title defences, not McCallum. Golovkin is the natural middleweight, and Mike was a super welter. That's why I pick GGG, and by extension, Canelo too.

 

OK ...

 

I think Kalambay would beat those two, he's certainly better than Lara, and Lara's box-and-move strategy worked fine. He's also better than Canelo at out-boxing people. With foot-work, head-movement and jab like his I'd take him to exploit GGG's slower feet and counter his jab onroute to a UD.

Although I think Kalamazoo is very underrated, he's like Toney on wheels.

 

Monroe, Lemieux, Geale, Proksa, Murray are mediocre talents. Yes, I said it. Two world champs in Geale and Lemieux are mediocre talents. Overachievers in a weak division.

Martinez was on the downswing and had lingering knee issues vs the nearly man Martin Murray.

 

BCS8,

Lemieux is a dangerous puncher. But he wasn’t as dangerous as Julian Jackson, or as good.

Jacobs has a lot of power too. GG struggled with him.

Monroe has skills but I don’t think he’s as good as what Graham was.

Martin Murray was desperately unlucky not to have been a champ. I think he did enough to beat Martinez. But Martinez was clearly faded, and hampered by his bad knees.

GG has beaten some good fighters. But the guys you mentioned weren’t as good as the guys who Mike fought.

Guys like Murray weren’t as good as guys like Watson and Kalambay.

Mike lost against peak versions of Sumbu Kalambay and James Toney.

Do you think that Mike couldn’t also have made 20 successful defences had he have fought GG’s opponents?

You can’t just say that GG amassed 20 defences and Mike didn’t.

You have to look at the quality of the opposition.

If GG struggled with Danny Jacobs, then how do we know if he’d have beaten Kalambay, Watson, Collins and Toney?

Who would Mike have lost to who GG beat?

I have Mike beating Murray, Jacobs and Geale etc.

There’s nothing overly impressive about GG’s run.

It was similar to Hopkins’ run.

Mike’s run was much harder.

Kalambay, Watson, Collins, Graham and Toney, were nearly all in their prime.

I don’t think GG or Canelo would have beaten all of those guys.

GG has done nothing to prove that he’s better than what Mike was.

Statistics aren’t enough.

Mike fought and beat better fighters.

 

Correct.

Murray, Lemieux and Geale etc, weren’t as good as Watson, Kalambay and Collins etc.

Mike’s opponents were better and in their prime.

There’s no reason why Mike couldn’t have replicated GG’s exact timeline.

 

I think Watson the night he beat Benn or the night he rematched Eubank would've beaten Canelo or GGG, and if he didn't, he'd certainly have given them they're hardest fight. Very underrated win for The Body Snatcher.

I'll get flack for it, but I don't care.

 

I could envisage that. He had very good skills, and he was huge at the weight.

 

Floyd was asked in a press conference if he'd school GGG if he fought him after he explained that 160 is too high in weight for him to fight at. He pretty much acted like yeah he would school GGG if they fought.

 

With respect to Watson and Collins, good Fighters both, I wouldn't call them elite level. Toney was elite level, although very slightly sub prime when McCallum fought him. Mike lost in a good, competitive fight.
Nuff said.