Debating my LW list

Well done, didn't realize I'd typed him out twice. Lemme edit that quick, Mandell was the guy I had at #16.

 

I'd have Buchanan over DeJesus, but Laguna over both.

 

I've watched all of them. They're not as skilled or quick, they'd get outboxed. Gans is the only one with comparable speed, but is defense isn't as nuanced

You somehow have Ross beating Mayweather, when he's got a far weaker defence, significantly slower, significantly shorter arms, has even less power, and a lesser jab and nowhere near the timing. I don't think Ross does a single thing better. I suppose he throws more leather but he'd get countered silly.

Chavez is way more skilled than Armstrong also.

BTW Robinson would of been lightweight champion but Angott scheduled there fight at 136lbs

 

Given that Angott wasn't the real LW champ until AFTER the first Robi fight, and that Robinson was never a LW contender. You're actually chatting ****.

 

Oh we playing that idiotic game? Duran was beat by DeJesus but he beats Mayweather. Shut up you fool.

And yes the Mayweather detracters like to peddal the myth he was beat by Castillo. In reality you have to be pretty biased to give Castillo more than 5 rounds. Mayweather ate some leather in the late rounds but swept most of the early rounds in the first fight. On a round by round basis, you struggle to give first fight to Castillo when he gave up pretty much the first 5. In the second fight there wasn't any doubt. Also does Duran cut off the ring as well as Castillo, I don't think so and Castillo was coming into the ring something like 150-155lbs while Mayweather was weighing in at his fighting weight. Duran didn't drain as much as Castillo so wouldn't be as big.

 

Angott won the World NBA Lightweight title in 1940 against Davey Day. Robinson faced Angott in 1941 both weighed 136lbs in order for Angott not to risk his title

 

That'd make sense if Mayweather fought anything like DeJesús, Duran actually fights like Castillo, using aggression and workrate. Duh

You can stop that routine, I gave it Floyd. Only the Special, blind or hot for Floyd think that Castillo didn't give him problems. Duran was 10x the fighter Castillo ever was.

Imagine calling someone else a fool in a post that has this shite. And you think I'm gonna take you seriously now? Shut up you goon.

 

That's the equivalent of the IBO lmao Robi would never have been a LW champ he was too big for the weight

 

Mayweather has far better timing and use of range than Ross too. And yes Mayweather has a better jab. Ross jabs more, it wasn't as good. It wasn't as long, as fast, as heavy or as well timed.

I don't think you really understand boxing techniques if you can't understand how Chavez is better than Armstrong in nearly every aspect. Actually had a took class jab - Armstrong doesn't even jab, much better defence, much better head movement, much better high guard, far better comination punching, far better right hand, much better footwork, better at cutting off the ring

 

Yea, you don't understand cutting off the ring. Duran used his speed of foot and hand to quickly follow opponents around the ring. Chavez and Castillo systematically got opponents into corners by cutting off space to either side. They're different styles and Duran had more issues with movement. Benitez and Leonard aside, he was punching the air plenty against Fernandez

And how can you say 'I gave it to Floyd' and call it a virtual loss? It makes no sense. If you score it to a boxer how is it also a loss?

Mayweather was 100 times the boxer DeJesus was. See how this works, we can go back and forth all day

 

Duran did that too AND he was faster than both. Do you have eyes?

I'm sure Fernandez feels really smug about that after struggling to win a single round...

I didn't say it was a loss, I said it was a 'virtual' loss. Y'know, since virtually everyone thought Floyd lost.

You're not too bright, are you?

And Leonard was twice the fighter Floyd was... we could go round in circles all day, and you'd still come off worse. Duean actually resembles a style Floyd virtually lost to, Floyd resembles nothing prime Duran didn't beat with room to spare. Every mover a prime Duran fought was beaten clearly, and bad. Floyd would be the same. Whereas Floyd had massive trouble with the best swarmer he fought, who was never even close to Duran's league

You've reviewed reenactment footage as a reference to today being more skilled than yesteryear. You exposed yourself when you said Rodriguez is a basic attrition boxer. You said George Benton was the first to use the shoulder roll (Wrong). You said WW was Pacquiao's best weight class and made up a bunch of stuff about Robinson ducking the BMR. And now you've said that Castillo was better at cutting off the ring than Roberto Duran. AND you're a race-baiter.

Is someone keeping score of the times I've missed? Coz from just interactions I can recall off the top of my head, you're holding like 6 Ls.

At this point I'm convinced you're either a troll or an agenda-driven idiot.

 

I've seen all these boxers. The difference is I can identify clear weaknesses in these boxers, where as you can't.

My perspective is boxing has progressed into at least the 90s. Where you seem to believe older eras are of the same level. They aren't.