Pacquiao's series with Barrera, Morales and Marquez are better than any of Floyd's Accomplishments

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  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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  2. Henry Hank

    Henry Hank Mexicans Run Houston Full Member

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    At the end of the day Pac is 2-1-1 with Marquez and its not 3-1 cause a judge in the first fight made a mistake scoring the first round.

    Its funny to see the hypocrite Floyd groupies who for some fighters what they count are the official results for others they dont count and what counts is their biased opinions.

    Just laugh at those morons.
     
  3. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    dude didn’t 2 out of the first 3 fights win the robbery of the year award by bwaa
     
  4. Henry Hank

    Henry Hank Mexicans Run Houston Full Member

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    Dont know. if they did they shouldnt cause neither fight was a robbery btw Castillo was named Ring Mag fighter of the month after the first Floyd fight and there was an article there about the how bad the decision was but hey robberies or bad decisions only count for Pac and are ignored when it comes to Floyd the same way that Floyd supposed shoulder injury in the first Castillo fight was legit while Pacs shoulder injury in the Floyd fight was just an excuse.

    Double standards, Floyd groupies and ****.
     
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  5. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    me personally I had the second Castillo fight closer but as far as I know that fight didn’t win an award for worst decision that Manny-Marquez did. Then add into the fact that most ppl feel Mayweather won the rematch cleanly meanwhile after every fight the decisions for Manny vs Marquez got worse and worse until the KO.

    a close 50/50 fight is one thing Manny got his ass whooped in at best 3/4 and at worst all 4
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think we’ve got to try and be objective.

    They were certainly more memorable than many of Floyd’s fights. But we can’t say that they were more of an accomplishment.

    Apart from the Castillo fights when he was young, and the Maidana fights when he was old and winding down, Floyd didn’t need to have rematches and trilogies with most of his opponents.

    I’ve debated this before with members who think that Manny’s resume was levels above RJJ’s resume. They pointed out that Manny had fought JMM x 4 and MAB x 2 etc, and that it looks great on paper when you see the names listed and you read them out. And it’s true. It does. But like Floyd, Roy didn’t need rematches with most of the guys who he fought when he was prime. If Roy’s resume had Toney x 4 and Hopkins x 3 etc, then that would also look great. So in a way, Roy was being penalised for being so dominant. So we’ve got to be objective and not penalise Floyd too.

    Floyd already has a great resume. But it would look better on paper if he’d fought Canelo x 3 and Oscar x 3 etc. It would look better, and he’d get huge props, especially if they’d all have been exciting back and forth fights like Manny’s were. But he didn’t need to do that.

    Personally, I’d say that easily beating the likes of Canelo at 36, is a bigger accomplishment than where Manny had a great exciting series where he fought a guy like JMM x 4. Because again, as exciting as they were, Floyd didn’t need to fight guys like that x 4. It’s just a shame that he took the shine off of some of wins with unnecessary C-Ws etc.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Tbf the majority consider Pac greater but Floyd better.
     
  8. BrainyBoxer

    BrainyBoxer Active Member Full Member

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    It's a shame Pacquiao got knocked out in the fourth fight with Marquez. He was winning the fight and beating Marquez up in the 5th and 6th round. Still one of the greatest fights ever.
     
  9. Pakkuman

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    You have to take certain facts into consideration. Marquez was a stylistic nightmare and Pac fought him razor close, which is an impressive feat. It would be like a guy tailor made for Pacquiao—we'll use Brandon Rios—took Pacquiao into deep waters. And then you throw in how Marquez was chemically-enhanced for 2 of those 4 fights...

    And then if w examine Floyd's fights:

    Marquez — cheated on the scales.
    Maidana — forced to wear gloves he didn't like
    Canelo — catchweight (and a fight within USADA testing in place)
    Pacquiao — injured and there was the illegal IV fluids

    So literally the biggest wins of Floyd's after 140 was tainted in a big way.

    Then we look at Pac's losses at 147 and they're all dubious:

    Marquez 4 — Roidquez
    Bradley I — pure robbery
    Horn — pure robbery
    Floyd — injury plus Floyd's illegal IVs
     
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  10. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd wouldnt series with those guys he schools them
     
  11. titanic

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    That's why I call them Floydiots....
     
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  13. BoxingIntegrity119715

    BoxingIntegrity119715 Super Full Member

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    As far as i know Floyd lost to Castillo on their first fight. He also lost to Maidana on their first who had already beaten by alexander and khan. Had a closed fight agianst de la hoya. The fight could have gone etheir way. Majority outside USA believe Floyd lost to midget Pacman despite the fact that he cheated via illegal iv. Floyd should have been disqualified
     
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  14. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Feasting on past prime Mexican legends is no grand accomplishment. Oh yeah, and the one that wasn't shot KO'd him and arguably beat him two or three times!
     
  15. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Actually it is one of the best things that has ever happened. Really it was bound to happen considering how big of a target Pac's giant head was. I bet it was as big as Barry Bonds' head!