James Jeffries vs Deontay Wilder

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Who would have won?

  1. James J. Jeffries

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  2. Deontay Wilder

    61.7%
  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It might simply be that he was susceptible to one or two key punches, and that Fitzsimmons figured it out.
     
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  2. mcvey

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    Well he was cut over the right eye from a left ,cut on the left one from a right and his nose was broken from a jab, so I guess he was susceptible to left hooks,right crosses and jabs. Perhaps he was a star at avoiding uppercuts?What do you think?
     
  3. janitor

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    Did Fitzsimmons not know that these punches existed when he fought Jeffries the first time?
     
  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes but this 39 years old fighter was a monster. He wasn't also retired, he had a break but was still active in terms of training.
    Or that old Fitzsimmons was marvelous fighter?
     
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  5. mcvey

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    No he retired for 2 years because he couldn't get Jeffries into the ring.
     
  6. mcvey

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    He was underprepared for Jeffries the first time,I know it and you know it!
     
  7. janitor

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    I know it, and you know it, but it is not enough to explain the difference between the two fights!
     
  8. Mendoza

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    BS. Fitz was a tough man to come to terms with. He could have fought anyone he wanted to.
     
  9. mcvey

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    If it was just down to different tactics that Fitz adopted how do you explain the ease with which Fitz landed his punches on Jeffries? His hit and get out explains why Fitz escaped punishment until he tired, but it doesn't explain why he landed at will on Jeffries does it?
    The fool is now saying Fitz made difficulties and put obstructions in the way of himself receiving a title shot.I suppose that's why,after koing Sharkey he leaned over the ropes and asked Jeffries, sitting ringside; for a title shot? Because he didnt want one, he preferred to retire for 2 years then come back straight into a title shot,because his chances would be better after 2 years of inactivity and adding 2 years to his age!

    "You'll give me a fight now won't you Jim".
    After koing Ruhlin and Sharkey in the space of 2 weeks Fitz said.
    "Im going to take a rest now,I think I need one,I have engaged in two battles in two weeks and knocked out both my opponents,.something the other heavyweights haven't done."
    "The only man in the way now is Jeffries .He whipped me once ,but I don't think he will do it again.When we met I had not fought in a couple of years and naturally was not in the best of condition. But I am in great form now,andreally think,if we met again I would come out on top.In fact I held Jeffries too cheaply,but I learned a lesson and will not be caught napping again.If they give me enough money,I guess I will to fight Jeffries some time inside the next six months".

    Fitz got his title shot, two years later,after Jeffries had defended against Ruhlin whom Fitz had already half killed.
     
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  10. janitor

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    I could flip that around, and ask why Fitz did not land on Jeffries at will, in their first fight?

    Technical and tactical factors are the best explanation.
    The politics behind that are more complex than you are allowing for.

    Fitzsimmons was a huge draw in his own right, after he beat Sharkey and Ruhlin, and he arguably didn't need the title.

    He negotiated hard, and it is difficult to pick out where the blame lies.
     
  11. BitPlayerVesti

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    It seems a bit silly to critize someone for not fighting someone at the specific, when at the end of the day they beat them twice, before and after it.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    So he sat it out and aged 2 years ?Was he a huge draw sitting on his front porch? What sort of purses did he get for that? Anywhere near what he would have received for challenging Jeffries?

    Have you ever seen a verified statement that Fitz did not want a rematch with Jeffries? I ask because there are quite a few primary sourced ones stating he did!
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Having ko'd the two standout contenders in the space of two weeks and beaten them both in a much more impressive fashion than Jeffries had been able to manage, Fitzsimmons announced he would be ready to face Jeffries inside 6 months.
    Q Who deserved the title shot more?
    Q What had Fitz to gain by putting obstacles in the way of a chance at the title,he was aging and with bad hands?
    Q Where would you lay the blame for the fight not happening for two years?
    Q Whom did Jeffries defend against during those 2 years? Ruhlin,whom Fitz had beaten into a coma.
     
  14. TBI

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    It's only a matter of very short time before Wilder lands that right hand and Jeff wakes up in his next life.

    Easy fight to pick.

    A guy that's a sucker for a right hand and totally unproven against anyone remotely credible at HW vs a credible bomber, no matter how limited he is.

    This ones over quick.
     
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  15. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When was thia proven? In which fight?
    This is not true.