So these are the winners over the last century. 1910s: Sam Langford 1920s: Benny Leonard 1930s: Henry Armstrong 1940s: Sugar Ray Robinson 1950s: Sugar Ray Robinson (2) 1960s: Muhammad Ali 1970s: Roberto Durán 1980s: Sugar Ray Leonard 1990s: Roy Jones Jr. 2000s: Manny Pacquiao 2010s: Floyd Mayweather Jr. I have two questions really 1) who should have won the awards for 1880s 1890s 1900s 2) is there a more deserving fighter in any of the other decades?
So for me the 1880s is between two fighters: John L Sullivan and Non Pareil Dempsey. Both beat everyone they fought in the decade, but NP did finish up the decade being knocked out, that being said John L finished the decade being an alcoholic who rarely fought. Tough call but I give the edge to Dempsey. The 1890s, imo is an easy call. That has to be Bob Fitzsimmons. But George Dixon deserves an honourable mention. The 1900s is much harder to cal with lots of names in the hat. Barbados Walcott, Jack Johnson, Bob Fitzsimmons, Stanley Ketchel and Abe Attell all putting up good claims, but for my money the crown has to go to Joe Gans. So I have it 1880s: Jack Dempsey 1890s: Bob Fitzsimmons 1900s: Joe Gans As for more deserving contenders, I'm pretty happy with the winners listed decade by decade to be honest.
Charles is a good shout. The others I don't see tbh. Ali was so consistent and was dominating everyone of note in the division. Benny Leonard was lauded as P4P number 1 and the best boxer of all time throughout his career, I'm quite happy with his place. Mayweather proved himself the best boxer around even at such an advanced age. I mean the only people you would argue above him in the decade, he beat and that speaks volumes.
Ali has one generational win. Griffith, officially, has about 4. 3 against Rodriguez, 1 vs Tiger. Griffith's résumé is about 10 times as deep and he had much much more fights. I'd also put Ortiz, Harada and Saldívar above Ali in the 60s. Greb beat THREE other fighters who could've been FOTD on their own. Walker, Tunney and Loughran is much better than the guys who Leonard was beating (which is really saying something). When did he beat Andre Ward? I don't read into the Pac fight, he was badly injured after all. And Pac beat Thurman at 40 (record breaking achievement), beat Marg's to become an 8 weight world champion (unique achievement) and beat a bunch more champions after Floyd retired.
Griffith never set himself apart form the division and arguably lost every fight to LMR. Imo there is no comparison between the two. Greb and Leonard, I thought most of Grebs best work was in the 1910s but he did have a good run in the 20s. Although I'm fairly certain he was never considered better than Leonard in his own era and the two completely overlapped. It seems a bit revisionist to switch the two imo. The marg victory means less than nothing imo. The victory was against a punch bag with no menaingfingful performance in over 2 years and nothing to indicate he ever recovered from the Mosley loss and certainly nothing to indicate he was a LMW champion.
Ali never fought anyone as accomplished as Rodriguez or Tiger though, unless you count 93-year-old Archie Moore. The only thing close to a great fighter was Liston and that second bout was farcical. Is there anyone who thinks that was legit? Griffith had more blips but still posted a great record and became a two-division champ against a who's who of his era, overall a much stiffer level of comp. Greb became middleweight champion in the 20s and had wins over Tunney, Gibbons, Loughran, Walker and Flowers plus a slew of other top contenders in three divisions, so I'd say he has a strong case for being top dog.
Ali couldn't move up in weight though, so the multi championship issue has no bearing here. Its just who has a better record and for me it isn't even close tbh. Greb has a good shout, i had tmhe dates wrong when I dismissed him previously.
Don't see why Griffith shouldn't get extra props for being able to move up in weight and beat elite fighters just because Ali couldn't.
Its more that Ali doesn't get penalised just because others can. For example, in the 60s Ali beat Liston, Terrell, Chuvalo and Williams below 220 pounds Patterson and Quarry below 200 pounds Moore, Cooper and Jones below 190 pounds So we say he was only a champion in 1 division, but he beat fighters who weighed in at vastly different amounts. Also look at his own weight. He was between 200 and 210 for the first part of the decade. Between 210 and 220 for the next part of the decade. The HW is an unlimited division, that's why it gets no less credit than multi weight divisions.
Which would be fine if Ali was beating men 20 or 30lbs heavier than him. Except Ali was either the same size or bigger than pretty much everyone he fought in the 60s. He was bigger than most of them. After everything he'd done at welter Griffith moved up a full division to beat Tiger and arguably won 2/3 against Benvenuti. You think that's inferior to Ali defending against Ernie Terrell, Floyd Patterson, Henry Cooper? Can't see it myself. The little guys shouldn't be held back just because they have more scope to go up in weight and challenge bigger men.