Patterson's first undisputed reign vs Frazier's undisputed reign

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd from beating Moore until losing to Ingo, and Frazier from beating Ellis until losing to Foreman. In terms of facing the most deserving challengers.

    Floyd's reign was about 2,5 years. His defences were against Jackson (nr 1), Rademacher (unranked), Harris (nr. 3), London (lower top 10) and Ingo (nr. 1).

    Frazier's reign was just shy of 3 years. His defences were against Foster (unranked), Ali (nr. 1), Daniels (unranked), Stander (unranked) and Foreman (nr. 2 in The Ring ratings).

    Which was the best reign in terms of facing the most deserving challengers?
     
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  2. The Morlocks

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    Frazier was champ from Buster on. So include Ziggy. Ramos. Bonavena Quarry. Ellis. Frazier all the way. Patterson hid and f ought clowns.
     
  3. ETM

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    Yea
     
  4. Bokaj

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    I do it from when he was undisputed. So from Ellis.
     
  5. The Morlocks

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    Then I guess the great Holmes never reigned.
     
  6. Bokaj

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    Ok, to be more precise: Patterson's first undisputed reign vs Frazier's undisputed reign.

    I've changed the title now, so there should be no more confusion.
     
  7. Bokaj

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    Who did he hide from? And in what way was his weakest challengers weaker than Frazier's weakest?
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    Frazier and it isn't even close.
     
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  9. Bokaj

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    Why don't you think it's close?
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Frazier is an ATG heavyweight champion.

    Patterson is an ATG small fighter.

    Different levels.

    What Patterson achieved was commendable given his size.

    What Frazier achieved was boxing folklore.
     
  11. Bokaj

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    Yeah, in terms of ATG ranking definitely.

    But looking at these reigns in terms of facing the most deserving challengers?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Yeah look at the 1971 ratings he'd faced or would face 6 of the top 7.

    He also faced the champion from the division below.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    All in all he did a good job of cleaning out the division, yes. But does that excuse him when facing unranked challengers as a champion? Shouldn't he rather face the top contenders, even if he already has beaten them?

    Who was quite useless at HW, tbh. I don't see this as a better defence than Rademacher, I think. Not much in it either way.
     
  14. Bokaj

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    In three years as undisputed champion Joe only faced his nr. 1 once, while Floyd faced his nr. 1 two times in two and a half years.

    Joe would or had faced every nr 1 contender during his undisputed reign, though.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    If you've already beaten someone, unless unless it's controversial I don't see a reason to fight them again tbh. Unless a situation dictates it like Frampton vs Kiko for instance.

    Foster was unbeaten in 5 years. He was a certified ATG. Of course its better than Rademacher.