James Jeffries vs Deontay Wilder

No you think Wilder wins because your as bias as it gets.

 

I promise you, once Wilder get KO'd again, these type of threads and the posters who think he's some sort of great will stop posting about him.

 

News flash: even the best fight predictors arent right that much and dont make a living doing exclusively that.

And assuming they did, it would still be working for a living.

 

Those that watched the second Fitz fight came to the conclusion Jeffries won because of his size and age advantage.
He would always have the size , but a younger, more active Fitz could probably have put up an even better show ,don't forget he had bad hands for the latter part of his career.

 

I think Tua is an underachiever and would find a way to sleepwalk his way to a decision loss to Wilder. Wilder is capable of boxing a little, at least better than Jeff or Tua, and if he was smart, he'd box and move and not get into a firefight with Tua.

Yes, Jeff is a great. In his time. He was not ahead of his time though like some of his contemporaries. He was bigger, stronger, tougher than the guys he fought. Period.

The fact the "experts" placed Jeff over the others mentioned is an indictment of their judgement to me.

 

I think too would clock Wilder who isn't that hard to hit and for certain could not take it.

Here's where you missing the boat. If experts ( Historian, Ref or fighter ) of the times who lived fro 1890-1950 say Jeffries was #1, who is anyone to say he wasn't? Keep in mind they had access to many things we don't such as film the disappeared, 1st hand testimonials, and access to the fighters themselves.

Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Sharkey, Burns Langford, Johnson, and Dempsey ( All hall of fame heavyweights ) all say Jeffries was #1 with the exception of Johnson who called him the greatest, but views Fitzsimmons #1 in a pound for pound way of viewing things. These were the best heavyweight of the times. Where you aware of that?

When there is a lack of film, you sort of have to go on the judgment of those who saw, and the fighters words themselves.

If you think no one from 1890-1950 can match up with a contender type like Wilder, who struggles vs top 20-50 types, and has not beaten any decent in their prime to date ( and Wilder is almost 35 ) well then that's you opinion. I disagree.

Today Jeffries would be stronger, tougher than the guys he fought too. Even today his tale of the tape in terms of thigh, chest, neck, and fist are impressive. In fact I think he'd better Wilder in the tale of the tape in ever region but height and reach if he was around today.

 

Jeffries easily defeated Fitzsimmons in the first fight. The 2nd fight if you go by papers was even in rounds until the KO. Fitz likely tampered with his wraps or gloves, and quickly tossed them into the crowd when Jeffries demanded to see them. Sounds like a guilty man to me.

What's know is Fitz used electrical tape, which can literally make your fist as hard of a rock in the wraps which wasn't in the terms of the contract.

Who took more out of how works both ways. For example after the beating Jeffries gave Sharkey ( broken ribs, badly swollen face ) he was never the same and Ko'd later early by Fitz. You could say Fitz KO'd Ruhlin hard, but Jeffries stopped him sooner than Fitz did, and IMO Ruhlin's style was not one that put him into harms way, that was Sharkey.

 

There is proof of two things:

1. Fitz used electrical tape in his wraps, which was not in the contract. Do you know how electrical tape and transform fist?

2. When Jeffries asked to see the gloves, saying your gloves didn't mark me up in the first fight, Fitz quickly tossed them into the crowd. Why would Fitz do that?

If either point 1 or 2 is wrong show me. I am certain both are correct. I can also reproduce these two points if asked.

 

He wasn't allowed to wrap his hands with that type of tape in the contract, which called for soft bandages. Not adhering to terms of a contract, is called what? Tampering with the wraps or gloves is a cardinal sin in boxing.

When confronted, Fitz got rid of the evidence as quickly as he could, this is suspicious. I have read an article when they toured together that Fitz admitted doctoring things. No-we don't have video or audio admission by Fitz to hear today, or an examination of the gloves thanks to Fitz tossing them into the crowd. I think it's pretty clear some foul play happened. You can't say either event did not happen. I'll stand on the known facts/events.

Jeffries trainer by the way said fight anyway in the dressing room when word of tampering was heard. Makes you wonder if there was some $$$ on Fitz. Jeffries had a falling out with his trainer.

 

Corbett's thongs were certainly eye catching

 

Jeffries carefully examined Fitz's hand wraps in the ring before they gloved up he found nothing amiss its recorded in Pollack's book .Fitz had very bad hands by then and used to ask permission for extra layers of gauze,he did this for the Ruhlin fight ,again documented
Electric tape becomes like a brick on your fist I know,and its a laborious job getting it off after a fight. If you were wearing it it would be immediately obvious.
What do you think this tape would have done to Fitz's hands?

The poster who made this claim used to say because Fitz threw his gloves into the audience he had a foreign body in them,now he has changed tack.If there was anything dodgy in the gloves wouldn't he just keep them on till he was in his own dressing room instead of taking a chance a member of the public found something suspicious in them? Fitz beat Ruhlin half to death he was carried to the dressing room and laid on a make shift cot , too ill to travel .He was bleeding from the ears ,nose, eyes, and mouth, incoherent, and lapsing in and out of consciousness all night. A doctor was sent for and he stayed there till the morning. There was a real fear Ruhlin might die. His manager eventually took him to his home for convalescence. Fitz didn't need any help, that's just an excuse from Jeffries chief rectum cleaner.