Gennady Golovkin vs James J Corbett

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can see Corbett's speed and odd style confusing GGG, making him guessing all fight long. It wouldn't help that Corbett would manhandle him in clinches and he was damn good at that. Corbett also had experience of fighting long fights, so stamina wouldn't be a problem either.

    GGG doesn't hit hard enough to stop Jim and he's too small and too slow to outbox him.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

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    Tbf we might be seeing different things about Golovkin. The only clip of him I've ever seen is that highlight of Canelo fight where it shows him being countered over and over again whilst landing next to nothing.

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    No way is he good enough to beat Corbett.
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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  4. Hannibal Barca

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    Great analogy.
     
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    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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  6. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It depends on whether or not Corbett wears those sexy leather thong trunks. In that case, GGG is so distracted that Corbett gets in a clean punch before GGG Lacyfies him into Bolivian. If Corbett wears modern trunks, then he doesn't even get a clean punch on GGG.
     
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  7. bcr

    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No hands down, old school fighter is beating a modern fighter.

    Look at the hook at 1:00, Lemeiux is considered a below average technical boxer yet he knows he has to raise his guard while throwing a hook (even if he got hit). Corbett ain't doing none of that, he is coming hands down right at Golovkin who will jab him to death until he lands the ko punch in about three rounds. Corbett will be a light heavyweight by today's standards probably and Golovkin has a fair share of heavy sparring partners that claim that he hits extremely hard and he even dropped Kovalev who was a top p4p boxer, he's also extremely accomplished as an amateur meaning that a fighter with bad fundamentals is easy work for him.

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    You have to respect old timers for paving the way for modern boxers but there are only a few of them that could compete with modern boxers (talking about guys pre 1950).
     
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  8. 70sFan865

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    Tommy Loughran and Gene Tunney would dominate GGG.
    Unlike Lemeiux, Corbett used his legs to get out the way. Or he could just clinch GGG who would be smaller and weaker fighter here.
    Corbett fought above 180 lbs consistently, even over 190 lbs in some fights. He definitely wasn't LHW.
     
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  9. BCS8

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    Call me when Corbett is on that level :deal:

    Unlike Lemieux, Proksa also used his legs to get out of the way. He also was endowed with some top level slipping skills and was a real tricky SOB. Here he is taking Sebastian Sylvester to pieces:

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    We all know how he did against GGG.

    1) Not that much smaller. Golovkin clocks in between 173-175 on fight night after draining. If he didn't have to grind down to 160, he'd be 180 pretty comfortably I think.
    2) Golovkin actually has a wrestling background. It translates to strength in the clinch, as shown here:

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    Fair enough.
     
  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    You mean like just about every boxer when Corbett was fighting?
     
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  11. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never said he was, it was a counter to this "low guard = no chance" bull****.
    Sure, but he doesn't fight like Corbett.
    Well, Corbett fought in an era when boxers drained themselves even at HW. Corbett without training to lose weight would be around 200 lbs, he wasn't small at all (clearly bigger than Tunney for example).
    All fighters in Corbett's era had wrestling background, it was a must-have back then.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    LOL, imma not going to get drawn into this any further.

    My eyes tell me that Corbett would get whalloped today even by lesser fighters than Golovkin. That he'd get laughed out of a gym.

    Your eyes tell you he'd move around without getting hit and turn these modern turkeys into a sandwich.

    It's clear that we're seeing different things when we look at the footage, and when that's the case, it's pointless arguing.

    My closing remark is this. If his skills were so excellent and advanced, then why don't we see modern boxers emulating his strange stance and slappy-looking punches? Why don't we see people emulating Fitzsimmons' leaning-back stance and punching technique, since he's the guy that beat him? I mean, we have these lost secrets here on tape, people can see them, and copy them. Right?
     
  13. 70sFan865

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    No, my eyes see big, strong and fast boxer who had wrong style for GGG.
    i'm not Corbett's fan and I consider him overrated historically, but he wasn't bad fighter.
    Wait, I never said that. He's talented athletic fighter with unorthodox style. I never called him "advanced" or "excellent". Maybe yoy view GGG much better than I?
    Because it's not optimal style to fight? I don't view it as controversial, you need to be very fast and have good anticipation to fight the way he did.
    Why fighters don't try to fight like Ali? Or SRR?
    Mostly due to bigger gloves which gives fighter another dimension. Besides, nobody ever fought Fitzsimmons and Fitz himself rarely fought twice the same way. Fitzsimmons was a master of his craft, he fought how he believed was the best for him against given opponent.
    I never called these things "lost secrets", Corbett wasn't anything special as a techician. Some fighters fought similary to him though - Jack O'Brien was comparable, Tunney had some similarities with him. Both were better than Corbett though, because they added more things to that style.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Corbett's ring record is incomplete. Box Rec will show you he beat five hall of fame fights and drew with another one at his peak. I had his unofficial records of 59-0-3 prior to facing Fitzsimmons, but I used " news wins." in many of these fights.

    While Corbett's power wasn't a factor at heavyweight, it probably would be good at middleweight. Note he blew out Charlie Mitchel a man who floored Sullivan and went any rounds with him another fight in 3 rounds. Kid quick with his feet and hands with infighting skills Corbett and a bend over straight to the body, Corbett was not a jab and move fighter only.

    As for his chin, he took hard shots from Choysnki, Jackson, and lasted many rounds vs Fitz. and Jeffries. IFtshould be viewed as solid.

    Like many all time great who fought from 1890-1905, the film quality isn't good. What we need is clear film upclose to judge. This is Corbett many years after the retired with Kid McCoy, sparring for WWI Bonds, I think.

    He's still very quick one his feet with tricky feints and good accuracy as at 40+ years old. He must have been something in his prime. Corbett to me looks al title taller and longer than listed.

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    Golovkin is under rated at middle weight, but I'm not sure if he could catch Corbett and didnt hit as hard as Fitzsimmons, or Jeffries. He might, but I see Corbett here on points in a close fight over 15 rounds. 12 rounds or less increases Corbett's chances.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    You can't emulate quickness, hand speed and foot speed, which Corbett had into your style. Corbett was very hard to catch with head shots, like say Jimmy Young who flims will show you really was not that fast. Lots of fighters lean back and throw punches well. Vitali Klitschko for example.

    Other fighters, the very quick footed fighters with head movement can get away with a low guard. A prime Ali, for example. Or how about Mayweather with his low guard? If you have quick feet, head movement an a fast draw counter that lands in a blink you're going to be very hard to outbox. That was Corbett.

    If you read Fitz's book and take on boxing, he's correct on lot of things including distance. Just keep in mind in that day, there were no super heavyweight with skills. A fighter over 6'3"+ tall with skills was very rare, probably not around until decades later. So what he had worked in his timeline.

    Equipment, rules, and tough conditions to fight in shaped styles back then. You could say body punching, feints, and in-fighting are uncommon among heavyweights today too, but they were not back then as the gloves didn't do as good as a job protecting the hands and the ref let in-fighting go. Necessity is the motherhood of invention. If the ref let in-fighting go today without frequent breaks, you'd see the skills " lost secrets " older timers had come back.
     
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