Why is Carlos Monzon ranked higher than Marvin Hagler?

Hagler's legacy rests too much on the Leonard fight.
Pretty even between Monzon and Hagler.

 

He's not for a lot. It is so incredibly close. That both have an equal case.

 

Same.
I think their accomplishments are quite even, but Hagler in his prime would have been too much for Monzon, IF he didn't fight too cautiously and show Monzon too much respect. Which he might well have done.
I'd also much favour Hagler in a brawl, ala Hearns fight.

 

Hearns doesn't have a great win at 160, but I wouldn't discredit him as an opponent for Hagler. He did enough at 154, which used to be in the same division, and at higher weights to make it clear that there wasn't something about the six-pound jump that made him less than a great opponent.

Also, no, he didn't fight Nunn or Kalambay, but I think Barkley is probably a worse matchup for him than either of those guys, Kalambay especially. Kalambay is much smaller and less likely to crack Hearns if he finds himself needing a knockout.

 

You’d have to explain diverse ... I mean Hagler is the best switch-hitter of all time. He won a lot of rounds against championship opposition both left- and right-handed. He could box and he could slug.

 

100% agreement on Hagler. Monzon was a good boxer and a good puncher, much like Hagler, though he was no switch-hitter. Monzon was a good pressure fighter though too, as evidenced against Benvenuti in '70. I'm sure if Hagler had been a pressure fighter he would have been good at it, but he didn't need to be. I hope that helps define diverse.

 

A plausible case can be made either way,imo.

 

There is no evidence Monzon got the "rub of the green".

 

He was unranked by the Ring ,who had he beaten at middleweight to deserve a ranking,Murray Sutherland! Briscoe was an old man at 35 when he fought Hagler.

 

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Have you seen the fight?

 

Are either as great as Pacman? No.

 

In my opinion, Carlos Monzon rates higher than Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Monzon was World Middleweight Champion from Nov 7 1970 until his retirement on Aug 29 1977, 14 successful title defenses. He retired with a record of 89-3-9, 61 KO's, had not lost a fight since Oct 9 1964, spanning 82 consecutive victories, revenging his 3 defeats. He was only decked in two bouts, against Jorge Fernandez in Jan 1966, and in his final victory against Rodrigo Valdes on July 30 1977, in Monte Carlo, Monaco. He did not have difficulty winning the title like Hagler did fighting to a draw with Vito Antuofermo, on Nov 30 1979. Marvelous Marvin was on his way to tying Monzon's record of title defenses, when he was defeated by come backing Sugar Ray Leonard on April 6 1987, losing his WBC World Middleweight Title. Hagler was a great champion, great skills and he had class, but it is my guess that the last fight and losing to Leonard made it impossible to rank him higher as many including myself favored Hagler to retain his title. I do however consider both to be great champions. A fighter can only fight what is put in front of him, both felt comfortable at their own respected weight class.

 

Bad Bennie Briscoe just finished stopping top contender Tony Mundine on Feb 25 1974 in round 5 in Paris, France.

 

You sure about Briscoe being unranked Mac?

 

I have Monzon a smidgen ahead but certainly wouldn't argue wit someone claiming other - it's too close. For me overall Hagler beat better fighters but the way they exited their careers shades it ever so slightly for Monzon in my household.