Muhammad Ali vs Wilt Chamberlain

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  1. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Michael Jordan was actually a decent minor league player. Nothing close to what he was as a basketball player obviously but minor league baseball in America is competitive as hell and probably on par with professional boxing until you start fighting top 10 type opponents. A friend of mine was all American in college and floated around the minor leagues for about 8 years never broke through
     
  2. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    You’re undermining genetics.
     
  3. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Your physical prime is done when you’re 30.
     
  4. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Nonsense. Why didn’t he do it, fool?

    People can’t accept that cage fighters can hang with world class boxers.
     
  5. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Moore did fight a couple of wrestlers who made the mistake of challenging him late in his career. I can actually imagine Archie, at 54 years old or thereabouts, gut protruding over his trunks, accepting the challenge and promptly laying out Wilt, all 7ft2 and 300lb of him.
     
  6. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Lets go by actual definitions

    Luck:
    good fortune; advantage or success, considered as the result of chance: "He had no luck finding work".

    Chance:

    the absence of any cause of events that can be predicted, understood, or controlled: often personified or treated as a positive agency.

    Luck and chance are pure randomness without any cause and cannot be predicted, understood, or controlled.

    By definition one cannot beat someone in a fight purely by "luck". If I get my ass kicked for 11 rounds and then manage to land a ko blow out of seemingly nowhere with 2 seconds left, that still would not be "luck". I already explained why calling a "punchers chance" luck doesn't make sense because you are putting guarrantees in the equation.

    A knock out has a prior cause, can be predicted, can be understood, and is never the result of pure chance.

    You can yawn or ignore me all you want, but you are wrong scientifically and linguistically.

    But by all means show me a fight that was won purely luck.
     
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  7. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When I played on the Laker’s Summer League back in the day Jerry West, who’s also a huge boxing fan told me the whole Ali-Wilt fight was a publicity stunt, which makes sense. I can’t imagine the Lakers letting an extremely valuable player like Wilt get the tar beat out of him at their expense.

    Wilt was an amazing center and a complete scoring machine, but trying to fight a top flight boxer like Ali with no boxing experience would be suicide.
     
  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    oh
     
  9. Glass City Cobra

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    Julian Jackson is one of the hardest punchers in history with years of training. In order to land that knock out blow, he practiced for years and years in the gym working on his form, timing, and accuracy. Any punch a professional boxer has practiced cannot be attributed "randomness" or luck because his intention when throwing the punch was to KO the opponent. He trained and practiced the punch for that very reason.

    Oliver McCall was trained by Emmanuel Stewart to find the flaw in Lennox's form. It wasn't random or lucky at all:

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  10. JC40

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    o_O
     
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    It would look like Tyson/Spinks but faster.
     
  12. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What some egotistical athletes don't understand is the YEARS it takes to be a top level boxer.
    World class boxers don't think about throwing out a jab. They react too the opening. World class boxers are instinctive, and have gotten that way by day after day, yr after yr putting in the work. To be able to " read" an opponent, is no easy task. I always go back to the Leonard vs Benitez fight ( The fight that made me love boxing) Just watching those two men slip and counter, both men right in front of each other (no jumping in and out like a jack rabbit, or Pac) yet really until late in the fight, they were barely hitting each other, both men were super-fast, Benitez was defensively brilliant, Leonard was brilliant both offensively and defensively the entire 15 rds. Its a fight that some of these new school posters need to watch, the difference between past fighters, and fighters in today's game. There's an obvious difference.
    That skill level we don't see much in the game today. As I said on my previous post, If Chamberlain landed one punch would be a small miracle. And he definitely wouldn't get out the 1st rd.
     
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  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Now you got me about to watch that fight. But you're right it takes a while to be able to perform at the top level of boxing. It takes years. Chamberlain didn't stand a chance against Ali. I don't care how big or how many physical advantages he had.
     
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  14. Bokaj

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    By stating the fact that RJJ had boxed for almost his whole life and Chamberlain hadn't?
     
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  15. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m a Brit!