Why is Roid Jones Junior Loved and Revered Considering He's Been Clipped For PEDs (?)

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  1. BoxingIntegrity119715

    BoxingIntegrity119715 Super Full Member

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    Some fans have hate on Pacman because of his unbelievable accomplishment and accused of using PED but cannot provide any proof.
     
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    alpo1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    nearly everyone was ped'ing in the 90s
     
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    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Agree! Similar to Holmes and Golovkin. You see something special, especially when looking at G, but always wonder, do they look special because they are special or because their comp is weak.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    When did GG ever easily beat guys like Toney and Hopkins?

    When did he ever destroy guys like Griffin and Hill?

    When did he ever beat world class fighters with ease that were in higher weight divisions?
     
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    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    I'm speaking in terms of him being highly skilled, but not fighting someone his equal. Level of opposition is lacking.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wasn’t, he was just a level above everybody else who he fought.

    Toney was supposed to be his equal.

    Hopkins was supposed to be his equal. Yes, Hopkins wasn’t the fighter he’d go on to become. But when he did go on to be that fighter, he wouldn’t rematch Roy. Not even when he’d accomplished everything at MW and he was being offered 3 times his biggest purse at that point.
     
  7. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Sort of. Roy did fight better fighters than GGG. He proved more during his prime. But I have a very bad opinion about Roy's late career. Let's just say I think the weight drained excuse was milked.

    I respect Holmes' fighting ability infinitely more than Roy's. He was able to perform incredibly well late into his career because he could box, adapt and had a chin. Roy was getting knocked out on a regular basis.
     
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    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Look, I've watched RJJ's entire career as it happened. I watch the heart breaking robbery in the Olympics, when he didn't leave the ring for hours afterwards. RJJ was a cut above. Probably one of the most gifted fighters I've ever seen. If you have been a follower of RJJ, you know one of the few criticisms was his level of opposition. Not a knock on his skills at all.
     
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    Agreed. Not comparing skill levels, just drawing a comparison between how, at one point in their careers, they all looked unstoppable, but get criticized for their level of opposition.
     
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  10. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Yeah, but his team opened themselves up to accusation with all the weird and different excuses like being afraid of needles, et cetera. Then his trainer at the time is saying how he only knows what goes in the shakes and stupid stuff like that.
     
  11. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Barry Bonds was an ATG before he did anything. So was Roy. His natural abilities were off the charts regardless of getting popped for anything. It isn't like he suddenly made some quantum leap in what he was doing in the ring, unlike some fighters.
     
  12. reed_man02

    reed_man02 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure, ignore the fact Roy was 35 years old and has a style that relies HEAVILY on speed and reflexes
     
  13. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They should just legalize them. Honestly. Would make for a slightly better show for us fans. I say slightly because most top athletes are probably already on them so we wouldn't know the difference anyway.