Rocky could dehydrate to super middleweight~

Why? There are medical conditions that presuppose this (Bright's disease is one that is relevant), but otherwise, why? The reason you have never seen a concentration camp victim that looks like Rocky Marciano is this: what you just wrote is utterly untrue.

It's tougher for some than others, that's beyond dispute, but Rocky has meat - he has meat on him. I can't think of any reason why a fighter of his dimensions couldn't lose lots of weight other than illness.

Yes, I don't expect Rocky to make 154lbs like Seamus, but you should note that in the actual real-life example I provided sees this exact weight loss - Rocky Marciano's weight in a fighter clearly carrying less fat to begin with than Rocky has basically made light-middleweight. This is a thing that happens now that was not even thought of in Rocky's day.

Your position is that it is questionable that Marciano could lose water weight "and function properly" and that it's impossible for him to lose 17lbs.

People who believe this stuff just don't know how modern weight-making works. What i'm describing isn't unusual, abnormal, or controversial. It's absolutely normal. Take someone like Mikey Garcia at 126. Making so extreme that on the day before the weigh in, he could make a fist but didn't have enough strength to unmake it. He was in so much pain he was vomiting. He had no water that night. Weighed in the next day and rehydrated. Looked a million bucks in the ring. I mean looked a world-beater in the ring, pound for pound engine, pound for pound skillset.

Marciano wasn't even approaching this condition before fightnight. Nothing remotely like it. Not in his worst nightmares, in his worst imaginings could he imagine being so brutalised 20 hours before a weigh in because he did not even attempt - attempt - anything remotely approaching it. But you're pedalling the idea that he was at or near his absolute limit.

I concede that it's possible due to some serious illness or bizarre genetic condition but for anyone who pays attention to this stuff now, it's absolutely clear that you don't undertstand.

Nothing has changed in boxing so much as weight-making. It is as distant now from the 1950s as the moon was to the neanderthals.

 

It's not the weight cutting. It's the recovery. Fighters were weighing in ringside only a few years before Marciano fought. Marciano himself tended to weigh in on the afternoon of the fight but with no weight limit to meet.

Marciano could eat what he wanted the day of the weigh-in. And drink water if he wanted to. Fighters who made weight rehydrated with water and broth. Modern-day equivalents have special recovery shakes which I don't' even understand for restoring balance to the body. This is why, in the previous example, it is possible for Garcia to be so weak as to be unable to operate his hands the night before a weigh in, and then fight like a superstar.

So a) no, fighters have NEVER cut weight before like they did last decade, ever, in history and b) if they did they wouldn't be able to fight and c) recovery components did not even exist then so there's plenty that's new.

There is no question that Marciano could lose more weight now. A lot of it by my eye.

 

"Sweating down is the least of it. That's the old way. That's Marciano's era.

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People who think Rocky couldn't lose more weight need to watch this:

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Now, imagine Rocky taking a similar approach to weight making during camp. Do people really, really think he's going to lose 2 or 3 pounds at best? He's going to lose an absolute ****ing shedload of weight doing this.

And he doesn't have to do anything like this extreme to make a serious dent in what he's carrying.

And the next idea, already emerging is that he "wouldn't be able to function" if he did this. Well, why? Athletes do it all of the time. Take the Mikey Garcia example. Too weak to make a fist 35 hours before the fight, then absolutely elite in the ring.

This stuff has changed, very very dramatically.

 

Because every other fighter in the world with a swarmer's style drops loads of weight and is enormously effective.

Multiple people in this thread have disputed it.

All fighters in the world feel weaker at their fighting weight than if they trained purely for combat. Marciano would too - from the very beginning. He might feel released boxing at Cruiserweight, but he would also probably find it quite difficult given how much bigger everyone is than he. It would be interesting to see after his first visit whether it stood as a one-off or whether he would dip back down to LHW.

 

True.

There are multiple videos of people who are not who you can also look at, and find a reason why it doesn't apply:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCCbyPgM-9I

But I do even say in the post that "it doesn't have to be as extreme as this."

It's obvious that Marciano could dump weight. A lot of it. You've claimed that "there is no five pounds" to remove from his physique. I suggest that is as wrong about a subject as it is possible to be.

 

It's possible you are right.

But none of them are ranked.

Mairis Briedis is six foot one with a 75" reach.
Yunier Dorticos is six foot three with an 80" reach.
Krzysztof Glowacki is six foot with a 75" reach.
Ilunga Makabu is six foot with a 74" reach
Rocky Marciano is 5'10 with a 64" reach.

Small for a super-middleweight, interestingly. SO if there are Marcainos in the cruiserweight division, as you have claimed, they are scraping out a living as gatekeepers and journeymen.

The Marcianos of the modern era when discussing power are guys like Gennady Golovkin and Julian Jackson. Sergey Kovalev and Adonis Stevenson.

Again, I don't think you understand how this works.

Marciano would come to the ring heavier in the modern era than he did in his own era at light-heavyweight.