Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

but you already proved that you do not know what fighting on the Inside means. So this debate would be another waste of time for me

 

Dino,

You are aware Vitali beat Johnson 120-108, and took his " O ". By the time Joshua fought Johnson he was there for a paycheck.

A 12 round shutout over a ring magazine ranked contender, that's rare.

 

1. Lewis was shot you say? He didn't look shot vs Rhaman 2, that was one os his best performances, just a year before. Vitali made Lewis look bad/

2. Vitali took the fight on 2 weeks notice while Lewis was prepping for a 12 round match with Kirk Johnson!

And as we know Lewis ran from the re-match.

On you list top 3, Vitali could compete with them or beat then. You do know Ali lost to lesser men than Vital and was lucky to win a few other fights? Sure Vitali would lose to Kenny Norton, have to get lucky to win vs Young, and have his handful outboxing Ron Lyle...

Louis fought in a weak time and was in fact out boxed by the best men he fought tin Schmeling, Walcott, Conn, and Charles. He was lucky few of the punchers he fought thad skills.

Jack Johnson? Massively over rated, would have little chance vs V. Klitschko. Was Ko'd by out boxed by and floored by three super middle weights. Need I say more? Vitali beats him every round sand take him out.

Holyfield #7?! That's pretty rare.

 

Would have, should have.You are living in fantasy world.Now let’s come back to reality, what is Vitali’s best win again? And you still keep talking about that particular fight where a past prime and overweight ATG turned Vitalis’s face in a bloody mess and stopped him.

 

Vitali looked terrible against the same Johnson who was blown away by Joshua.. And its not rare for somebody to dominate a journeyman like Kevin Johnson. Its just something you imagined.

 

Size, height, awkwardness and reach of Vitali versus the speed and fundamentals of Holyfield. Both great stamina.

Lean towards Vitali because of his general dominance, he should outjab Holyfield from range and Holyfield would struggle to get inside

 

Lewis was not shot. Past his prime, yes, but not shot.

Nope, just 1 fight.

Prime vs prime, the likes of Louis, Johnson, Holyfield and Marciano don't beat Vitaly.
And it's 50:50 with Foreman and Holmes and Ali.

 

Yeah he really had a tough time. Take note at 38, the age Holyfield fans would point out to excuse his performance, Vitali had two 120-108 cards, vs a guy 30 who in his prime had good jab and fought defensively for reason.

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So he was cut, possibly by the illegal backhand glove Lewis landed just above Vitali's eye region just before the cut. FightsNews reported the loose tape on it could have caused the cut. At the end of six rounds, Lewis was gassed. Vitali's cut wasn't bleeding badly when the ring doctor stopped it, with Vitali up 4-2 on all three cards. Lewis was marked up to, just not in the eye region. Where was the re-match? Lewis ran from it, and tried to make other fights with Kirk Johnson and Roy Jones until the WBC ordered it. With no other belts left beside the WBC, Lewis, who ran his mouth about the re-match, quickly retired.

None of these points are wrong. If you disagree with ANY of them, well, just try.

1. Lewis didn't look shot vs Rhaman 2, that was one os his best performances, just a year before. Vitali made Lewis look bad. Lewis himself said he was hard to hit. Overweight, how much more was he then the Rhaman fight? 5-6 pounds more is not fat.

2. Vitali took the fight on 2 weeks notice while Lewis was prepping for a 12 round match with Kirk Johnson!

And as we know Lewis ran from the re-match.

On you list top 3, Vitali could compete with them or beat then. You do know Ali lost to lesser men than Vitali and was lucky to win a few other fights? Sure Vitali would lose to Kenny Norton, have to get lucky to win vs Young, and have his handful outboxing Ron Lyle...

Louis fought in a weak time and was in fact out boxed by the best men he fought tin Schmeling, Walcott, Conn, and Charles. He was lucky few of the punchers he fought thad skills.

Jack Johnson? Massively overrated, would have little chance vs V. Klitschko. Was Ko'd by outboxed by and floored by three super middle weights. Need I say more? Vitali beats him every round and takes him out.

Vitali faced many contenders and blew them away better than ANY Past or previous champion. He was never behind on any scorecard after 3 rounds. We had a thread on it, and Vitali beat 9 men ranked by Ring Magazine. He just had the misfortune of ripping up his shoulder vs Byrd, and Lewis running away from the re-match.

My turn. Which of Holyfield wins were not aided by PED's?

 

I never said he had a tough time with Johnson , rather pointed how that fight made Vitali look one-dimensional , which it did.

Johnson fought defensively against everyone so thats hardly an excuse. If Vitali had the tools to beat Holyfield , he would have had the tools to open up Johnson while he lay on the ropes like Joshua did. But Joshua has the short hooks and uppercuts , Vitali only has the straight 1-2 and that isn't enough against the Greats
If Bowe had no inside skill he would have lost to Holyfield. Same with Lewis.

 

Dude, watch the fight. Johnson was on the defensive to to max and made it a stinker. 120-108. Two cards. That is better than KO1 in some peoples eyes. By the time Joshua fought Kevin Johnson, Kevin Johnson had lost

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, and was much older.

Do you consider beating person who lost 4 of his last 5 fights to be noteworthy? Extreme hate solids what reason you have.

I just noticed something. Guys like Johnson, Areola and Chisora, people Vitali beat which are not close to his best five wins are still around today and among Champions like Wilder or Fury best five wins.

 

Oh so now timing and context matters when Vitali is involved? Timing and context doesn't matter when you use Larry Donald to prop up Vitali and discredit Holy , despite Holy being 42 and shot to bits when he fought Donald.

 

That Kevin Johnson is being used to somehow prop up Vitali in this debate is hilarious.

 

Two of my favourites. I was reading lately that Lewis, Tyson, Bowe and Moorer all rated Holy the best fighter they faced, some praise. His grit and speed might just edge a great fight.

 

After watching the Johnson, I finally understood why Vitali never wanted any part of Toney.