Rocky could dehydrate to super middleweight~

It's not really a knock on Marciano. Basically, every decent fighter he fought would be between super middle and cruiser with today's standards, unless they intentionally bulked. The lone guy who might've had issues making cruiser was Louis, which would be due to age related changes since his prime weight was right around cruiser. Different times.

 

Not saying you are knocking him. Like you say--different times. But there are a lot of bozos on this forum who say a lot of strange things about a man held in awe by his peers, predecessors, and successors.

 

Hilarious.

The fact that you support that BS speaks volumes.

 

Rocky’s best weight depended on his opponent. Against heavier opponents Rocky came in closer to 190 lbs and against lighter opponents that had good mobility Marciano came in around 185 lbs.

As for Frazier I remember Futch mentioning in an interview from the late 60’s that he preferred Joe around 198-200 lbs., and for the most part Joe managed to stay close to this by usually coming in around 200-205 lbs.

 

Futch can say whatever he wants.

Frazier weighed 205 for his best fight and looked phenomenal. He has a 20 pound difference over Marciano"s best weight. You can shift the goal posts all you want, it doesn't change the fact they would have had drastically different starting points if they cut water weight so stop pretending its exactly the same.

 

You mad?

 

Yeah but people say that with day before weigh ins, you have cruiser's entering the ring at 200-215 pounds. So a 205 or a 212 pound heavy would be about the size of a modern day cruiserweight. Plus as others have mentioned, with modern day weight making methods and chemical assistance, they could have a walking around 230 pounder down to 199 pounds for the day or 2 before weigh in and then he enters the ring at 205, 210, 212 pounds.

Unless cruisers are in the ring at 176-199 pounds, then that's different.

 

Mike Dolce could probably get The Rock down to 142 long enough for a weigh in. Rehydrate over 48 hours and face prime Duran.

Who wins?

 

Joe was about 205 for Ali and Ellis. The same for Mathis and Chuvalo. He was about 203 for Quarry and Bonavena but 209 for Foster. So looking at his notable fights 205 is pretty spot on. Maybe you could move a decimal or two, but that's mostly crazy.

Rocky was around 185 for Louis, the two Walcott fights and the LaStarza rematch. For the two Charles fights he was about 187 and 189 for Moore.

If we're looking at these particular fights we get about 186 for Rocky and 205 for Frazier. So sure, if you want to go with those numbers, do so.

 

Who’s shifting goal posts? Anyway at the end of the both Marciano and Frazier’s were heavyweights throughout their entire amateur and professional careers, so I don’t get the fascination with trying to make them cruiserweights when they aren’t.

Also, you guys keep mentioning cutting water weight, which means dehydrating the body, but since when is dehydrating the body a good thing. If you have to dehydrate yourself to get to a weight the weight is too low. I’ve never seen a fighter or any athlete who didn’t eventually pay a price for consistently dehydrating their body.

 

I am a bit strange, I am sorry if you were led to think otherwise!

 

You will have to tell that just about every top pro fighter under HW today, since they drain. But apparently they don't know what they're doing.

 

I think, that if Rocky were a fighter brought up, now, he would likely fight at LHW, or maybe lower. But he would have trained and ate to be leaner over years. Sticking Rocky as he was into a training camp and trying to get him to sweat down would be a very different matter, and then fight effectively.