the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. Bujia

    Bujia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sumbu Kalambay vs Doug DeWitt.

    This was Kalambay's Toney/Barkley performance. Not much sticking and moving in this one. Instead, he took DeWitt head on. Stayed in the pocket all night and dissected him round after round before KOing him in the 7th with a big counter left hook in close.

    Pitch perfect.
     
  2. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Checked out 2 Robin Blake fights today. Man, it never seemed like he was off the TV back in the 80s. Not the greatest fighter but his all-action style really hit the fans with what they wanted to see. Here is his challenge for the lightweight title against Jimmy Paul.

    Round 1: 10-9 Paul
    Round 2: 10-9 Blake
    Round 3: 10-9 Blake
    Round 4: 10-9 Blake
    Round 5: 10-9 Blake
    Round 6: 10-9 Paul
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Paul
    Round 9: 10-8 Paul (scores a knockdown)
    Round 10: 10-10 Even
    Round 11: 10-9 Paul
    Round 12: 10-8 Paul (scores a knockdown)
    Round 13: 10-9 Paul
    Round 14: Paul stops Blake

    Total through 13 rounds: 126-121 Paul (actual scores: 126-121, 127-119 and 129-117 all for Paul)

    Jimmy Paul's punches - although fewer - were like they were laser-guided. He made them all count and was really zeroing in on Blake with that lead right. He really took his time in this fight and it came up dividends. Blake was his all-action self but he was up against it here.

    The second fight of Blake's I watched today was his last fight against Nia Khumalo. By this time Blake had moved up to welterweight and although he held height and reach advantages over the smaller South African, he couldn't do a thing with him. Khumalo had a really nice, tight style and he was able to go under and inside on Blake. No need to run a scorecard here. I only gave Blake the 2nd round and the rest to Khumalo who was thumping Blake by the 7th when his father threw in the towel on the fight and Blake's career. I had Khumalo ahead 59-55 after 6 completed rounds.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

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    I've been meaning to watch this one for a bit. @roughdiamond recommend it, and then I saw someone say it's one of the best they ever saw, so safe to say it shot up my list.

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    Not the best fight I've ever seen, but it's sure good. Leon has an inhuman workrate, and I wanna see more from him. Gerry had really sharp skills, but seemed to be lazy (he only really fought half the round).

    Gerry was 34, and two weights above his best. I'm assuming he's a bit past it here. If so, his workrate can be explained, but his skills were sublime. Sharp counter left-hand, nice shifting footwork to get inside Ponce's reach and an excellent high-guard defence.

    Imagine De Leon vs Naravette!
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Miguel Berchelt UD12 Takashi Miura

    Berchelt is a good mover for a puncher. This is the only fight in which he's gone the distance in years...banging in straight rights here when he settles, feels thudding rather than explosive. There it is, thudding one-two puts Miura down for a flash. Second round, it's actually quite upsetting, Miura moves as well as any super featherweight, he likes lateral movement with a feinting/pawing defence, gloves clasped at his chest and yet when he decides to "let" his opponent catch him he is hitting harder than him because he is also the best puncher in the division. That is messed up. Right mow Miura is shadowing him, cautiously, actually doing an OK job at cutting off the ring but not doing that much with because he might get banged up. Berchelt wins the round in the final 30 seconds, hurting Miura with body shots and a sort of uppercut right followed by straight punches that look like arm punches but don't ****ing feel like them. Miura has a good round in the third, lands some bodyshots - I think Miura just about out-hits him anyway, but this was a close round. Japanese has boxed back well.

    Berchelt is not that faced but he's absolutely unerring. Just knows where he is and knows where is man is to the tune of a 100%. Great ringsense, which is nearly as good as spidersense, great positioning. He leads with the right often and digs with the left hook right behind. The combination of movement and power is making it really, really hard for Miura to get off.

    Would have loved to have seen Berchelt-Loma.

    One-twos from Berchelt dominate the fifth, Niura lands a very hard straight left, but Berchelt just moves off, spends ten seconds running, then back in zone winning the fight. Miura is putting everything on huge shots. He looks like has given up on out-pressuring or out-boxing Berchelt and is just trying to brawl him. By the seventh he's just literally lining up single slefts and throwing them as hard as he can at Berchelt's head. It's actually buying him some relief on the Berchelt offence because clearly he doesn't want to be hit with such a punch. But Berchelt wins the round.

    A brutal, brutal domination; Miura arguably won a minute of the third and a minute of the eleventh.

    BERCHELT:1*,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12.
    MIURA:

    *Miura down.

    120-107.

    Official: 120-107, 119-108, 116-111.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    How do you think a fight between Tank and Berchelt would go, Matt?
     
  6. McGrain

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    Tank would get laced IMO.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Completely agree. Big difference between El Alacrán and Pedraza.
     
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  8. Jel

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    Colin Jones v Milton McCrory 1

    Very good fight which was a real tale of two halves with McCrory building up a very comfortable lead over the first half. Jones's second half rally was stirring but he waited too long to let it go.

    A draw as it was officially scored seems reasonable even though McCrory shaded it on my card. I made the 11th even but it could have gone to Jones. Equally, I thought the 7th was close which I scored to Jones and the 12th I gave to Jones ad well but that was a real 'in the eye of the beholder' kind of round.

    1 9-10
    2 9-10 (Jones blocking a lot but not throwing enough)
    3 9-10 (close. Jones lands the best punch of the round but McCrory boxes his way back into it to just edge it)
    4 9-10 (frustrating performance from Jones. He is landing the harder blows but missing with some power shots and letting McCrory take rounds by just being busier)
    5 9-10 (more of the same)
    6 9-10
    7 10-9 (close. Some good body work from Jones. He's blocking or slipping most of what McCrory is throwing. Just not busy enough though)
    8 10-9 (Jones does his best work early in the round. McCrory on his bike for most of it)
    9 10-9 (Jones's best round of the fight so far and there is the sense that the momentum is now with him. He has a lot of ground to make up still, though)
    10 10-9 (Jones took it with some good overhand rights)
    11 10-10 (good action, McCrory stood his ground and traded to take a share of the round)
    12 10-9 (best round of the fight and a great way to close the show. McCrory showing a lot of heart standing and trading. He threw the flashier combos but Jones's punches seemed to have more impact. Swing round)

    Jones 114-115 McCrory

    McCrory takes it 6 rounds to 5 with 1 even on my card.
     
  9. salsanchezfan

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    I had that one a straight-up draw, evenly split in halves, as you alluded. Totally winnable fight for Jones, who would NOT throw punches for the first six rounds, I'll never understand that. Even Laporte threw more than this guy.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    I've been on a big flyweight binge the last few weeks, now I'm moving onto bigger and better things. Slightly. Just trying to cover up some more blind-spots.

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    Johnny moving up to 126 here. Against a very tough and game Soto, who's left hook looks ****ing wicked.

    Brilliant performance, all things considered. Tapia being 10lbs above his best, 34 years old, and against a much bigger guy. Sure, he was dropped but it looks like a balance issue to me, and even still, I thought he won the round anyway. Soto was ludicrously tough, and Tapia put him over with a sweet ass combination.
     
  11. salsanchezfan

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    Based on a recent thread, took the time to watch a good 10-rounder between Mauro Mina and Henry Hank at light-heavy.

    It had it 6-4 for Mina, as follows:

    1. H
    2. H
    3. M
    4. H
    5. M
    6. M
    7. M
    8. M
    9. H
    10. M

    It might have simply been a case of Hank, who'd campaigned so long at 160, simply not carrying the weight well, as his aggressive attack petered out the instant Mina decided to carry the attack himself. Despite being the more emphatic and dynamic fighter, he could no longer sustain his work rate and fought in spurts while being forced to fight off the back foot, which was clearly not his true style.

    Hank jabbed and danced enough to nullify things in the 9th and take the round but he let his chance at a draw get away from him when he let Mina push him back in the 10th.

    Close, good fight, but Mina was more together and more consistent.
     
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  12. Jel

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    Milton McCrory v Colin Jones 2

    Remarkable. Almost a carbon copy of the first fight, with Jones giving away way too many rounds in the first half, but with a knockdown as well. He came back hard again in the second half and nearly put Milt down in the 7th and hurt him again in the 9th but left it too late again.

    1 10-8 (opening round of this one looking a lot like the opening round of the first fight...until McCrory catches Jones with a left hook on the top of the head and follows it with a right hand that puts him down. Disastrous start for Jones)
    2 10-9
    3 10-9
    4 10-9 (somebody needs to tell Jones he doesn't need to give McCrory a several
    rounds handicap each fight. In fairness to Jones, McCrory is boxing brilliantly - better than in the first fight)
    5 10-9
    6 10-9
    7 9-10 (Jones gets on the board in spectacular fashion, putting McCrory on **** street)
    8 10-9
    9 9-10 (McCrory in trouble again)
    10 9-10 (close)
    11 9-10
    12 10-10 (terrific final round)

    McCrory 116-112 Jones

    McCrory wins 7-4 in rounds with 1 even
     
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  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jel, I had this a little wider than you and SalSanchez. I scored it recently and this is what I wrote:

    Milton McCrory v Colin Jones I

    Round 1: 10-9 MM
    Round 2: 10-9 MM
    Round 3: 10-9 MM
    Round 4: 10-9 MM
    Round 5: 10-9 MM
    Round 6: 10-9 MM
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 MM
    Round 9: 10-9 Jones
    Round 10: 10-9 Jones
    Round 11: 10-9 Jones
    Round 12: 10-9 Jones

    Total: 116-113 McCrory

    Actual scores were 116-114 Jones, 116-113 McCrory and 115-115 Draw for a 12 round Draw. Y'know, I liked Jones and always cheered for him, but he was infuriating to watch. He threw strictly one punch at a time. No combos, one jab, one right hook, one left hook. It was hard to be a fan of his. I knew Curry was going to rip him up, but he had a chance against McCrory, if he could have only strung a couple of punches together.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    Another Tapia fight, saw this one mentioned on a

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    Johnny looks flabby and fleshy at 126. Certainly not as quick or sharp as he did vs Salazar (which I watched before). Actually, in the awful quality footage, he looked like a miniature Lucas Browne. His body shots were pretty nasty here though, he used them well vs the bigger guys from what I've seen but here it didn't really matter. Weird to see a guy quicker and more active than Tapia, especially early on.

    Medina's style is awful on the eye. Footwork all over the place, unorthodox inverted 1-2s and backhands, threw a 100+ per round with some awkward, rhythm-breaking herky-jerky, movement. That said, he was plenty quick enough to get in, work and get out, before Tapia could come back.

    Tapia was really lucky to get this decision IMO. Actually no, this was a flat-out robbery. Dreadful decision. The commentators were talking like they knew what was gonna happen, and they were trying to soften the blow.
     
  15. Saintpat

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    I remember this fight well. So competitive, so close, such good action from both. I remember thinking Sean edged it back when Is saw it originally and reviewed it on tape.

    Pretty sure O’Grady was fighting out of Oklahoma City, not Omaha, Nebraska, fwiw.

    Didn’t Redd Foxx (aka Fred Sanford) manage Gonzo? Redd had a piece of a few fighters back in the day and I want to say I remember Montellano being one of them. Andy “Hawk” Price was another I think. He never quite got over with a lot of close-but-no-cigar near-misses.

    EDIT: How did Gonzo not get more TV fights after this? So many good fighters at 135 at that time who would have made good weekend afternoon viewing vs. him.
     
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