Poll: Pernell Whitaker vs Manny Pacquiao?

No he means that pac will find success going to Pea's body which is ridiculous because that's not his game and more accomplished body punchers couldn't do that to pea. It's wishful thinking it would be like saying pea is going to find success against pac by going toe to toe to test his chin, when we all know that's not his game. Both points are ridiculous and a horrible reaches

Btw what does canelo have to do with pea-pac? Neither guy fought him he's irrelevant in this discussion.

 

What does he have to do with it? Fuuuuck.... LEAREN TO READ!! That statement was showing you don't understand what you see in the ring. ANYONE with a brain and decent eye vision can see how Canelo's improved. Except you...he's still 23yo in your eyes.

OK...so Pac will find Nothing going to the body...OK Miss Cleo.

 

Pac's an EXCELLENT body puncher. He just doesn't go there often, which is Roach's mistake in not implementing it more into his arsenal.

• JMM IV (did a stanky leg)
• Margarito (hurt him badly)
• Rios (made him bend)
• Thurman (hurt him badly)
• Hatton (stung him bad; set up the left hook KO)
• Broner (folded him badly; made him run the rest of the fight)
• Clottey (made him dip and fake a wobble to hide the pain)

Pac can unquestionably hurt Pea to the body.

 

You learn how to read. You don't understand what he said was ridiculous. You just dont like it because I refuted his argument easily.

 

He hurt thurman to the body badly that's the only memorable body shot that I can remember. With that said i always said pac is more refined now when he was younger and prime he relied more on pure athletic ability to overwhelm guys which Is why he neglected the body and was a head hunter

 

You didn't refute anything. You added hyperbole and exaggeration to your own personal interpretation of what was posted. Grow some f'n humility man....

 

Pimp C: Jcc is better than anyone pac beat that can't be argued. Who was greater than jcc that pac beat? Jmm no erik Morales no mab no cotto no who???? Jcc is atleast a top 30 atg at absolute worst none of those guys are top 30 atgs Stylistically jcc is a harder fight for pea than pac is. Jcc could cut off the ring apply educated pressure and commit to the body pac can't do that.[/QUOTE]

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There are no list of rankings that have oscar above jcc that's ridiculous. Even still pac didn't beat a prime oscar now did he? He beat a shot one. So your point is irrelevant. Ranking jcc a top 30 atg at worst along with along with the likes of mosley jmm and mab. Jcc is widely considered the GOAT of Mexican boxing. You don't have a clue lmfao! I'd love to see where you ranked pea whitaker all time, probably top 80 or something outlandish like that. Yeah he officially drew but anyone who has any credibility knows that it was one of the biggest robberies in boxing history. Pac's best win is probably mab or jmm neither are as good as Pea's win over jcc.

Pac can't cut off a ring to save his life he follows guys around stop!

 

I did refute it troll pac isn't a body puncher and a dedicated body attack would not be part of Pac's gameplan to beat pea. You know this but are too stubborn to admit it.

 

There are no list of rankings that have oscar above jcc that's ridiculous. Even still pac didn't beat a prime oscar now did he? He beat a shot one. So your point is irrelevant. Ranking jcc a top 30 atg at worst along with along with the likes of mosley jmm and mab. Jcc is widely considered the GOAT of Mexican boxing. You don't have a clue lmfao! I'd love to see where you ranked pea whitaker all time, probably top 80 or something outlandish like that. Yeah he officially drew but anyone who has any credibility knows that it was one of the biggest robberies in boxing history. Pac's best win is probably mab or jmm neither are as good as Pea's win over jcc.

Pac can't cut off a ring to save his life he follows guys around stop![/QUOTE]

Oscar De LA Hoya beat a better group fo fighters compared to Julio Cesar Chavez. I ask you again, who did Chavez beat?

I have zero doubt Mexico loves Chavez, but he was far from their most skilled fighter. He fit the mold of who they want their champion to fight like and act. Fan appreciation and who is the best can be two different things.

On De La Hoya, Mayweather who is better than Whitaker beat him via SD in 2007. Pacman Ko'd Oscar a fine boxer mover a year later, ( 2008 ) partly because he can cut off the ring.

I do think Whitaker is among the best 8 light weight in history. He just does not have the styles match up here and his resume s a little light relative to his ranking. Pacs best wins are much better.

I said enough, moving on...you have too much tunnel vision on Whitaker. And I thought Max Kellerman had it the worst.

 

You don't have to be a dedicated body puncher to throw punches to the body. I guess only 'dedicated' jabbers throw a jab?

 

Like many others here, gotta go with Pea. I believe he would've stunted a lot of Pac's offensive agression with his jab and defensive ability. Manny would be open to a lot of counters coming in on the attack... plus he needs space to punch. Manny isn't an in fighter and he doesn't go to the body enough.

Pea by UD

 

Genuinely can't believe some people are picking Pacquiao here.

He has always struggled with counter punchers.

He has always struggled with jabbers.

Morales and JMM gave him hell. Cotto had success when he started skipping behind the jab.

Pacquiao loves getting people on the back foot, Pea loves fighting on the back foot so anything Pac does plays straight into Peas hands.

Plus Pea is quicker than Pac which is by far his biggest asset.

Pac has very little chance here and I'm surprised anything thinks otherwise.

Although that being said I've very much been on minority arguments myself.

 

Oscar De LA Hoya beat a better group fo fighters compared to Julio Cesar Chavez. I ask you again, who did Chavez beat?

I have zero doubt Mexico loves Chavez, but he was far from their most skilled fighter. He fit the mold of who they want their champion to fight like and act. Fan appreciation and who is the best can be two different things.

On De La Hoya, Mayweather who is better than Whitaker beat him via SD in 2007. Pacman Ko'd Oscar a fine boxer mover a year later, ( 2008 ) partly because he can cut off the ring.

I do think Whitaker is among the best 8 light weight in history. He just does not have the styles match up here and his resume s a little light relative to his ranking. Pacs best wins are much better.

I said enough, moving on...you have too much tunnel vision on Whitaker. And I thought Max Kellerman had it the worst.[/QUOTE]
Jcc beat Rosario Camacho among others his win over Rosario is arguably better than any win pac or oscar had. He's without doubt rated higher on any atg list than oscar is or guys like jmm erik Morales shane or MAB.

As far as whitaker while faded he outlanded dropped and clowned a prime oscar and arguably beat him a prime pea would have beaten oscar. Btw don't ever bring up pac king oscar again it doesn't help your argument he was done. Even roach said he could see the iv marks on oscar's arms and knew he couldn't pull the trigger anymore.

Pea is a horrible styles match up for pac who has shown time and time again he struggles with boxers with high ring iqs. Pea is a better boxer than pac there's no one pac beat that pea couldn't beat. He doesn't lose to jmm or a faded erik Morales that's for damn sure he would school both.

 

Exactly! It's easy to see. People are horribly underrating pea thinking that because pac came up through so many weights he would beat light punching pea. It doesn't work like that when you're in with a master. What they fail to realize is that a prime pea is pbf level possibly even higher.