When RRJ & Floyd were both active, how come nobody...

I’m sick of repeating myself.

Roy fought Jorge Vaca just 5 months after his last official fight at JMW.

Again, Roy never had a run as an official JMW.

The versions of Roy who fought Stackhouse and Vaca etc, would have beaten a 150 pound version of Floyd.

Again, Floyd would have held no physical or offensive advantages over Roy.

Obviously, he’d never have taken on that sort of a challenge. But if we pretend that he would have done just for the sake of the debate, he’d obviously have fought extremely defensively, as Roy would have pressed him with his great physicality and unorthodox style, which was built around his incredible athleticism.

You’d have to be an absolute fool to have favoured Floyd.

 

If you're sick of repeating yourself then stop doing it.

As for Floyd taking the challenge, at this point in time Jones Jr is green as grass and has never beaten a world level fighter. I don't really think Floyd would be too bothered at the threat represented.

Obviously Jones Jr could pull the upset, but I doubt it.

Since you're sick of repeating yourself we'll leave it there.

Thanks.

 

Everybody in the boxing world knew who Roy was before he fought a world class opponent.

Everybody in the boxing world saw him in the Olympics.

Manny Steward and Ray Leonard wanted to sign him.

Roy sparred with Leonard, Reggie Johnson and Lindell Holmes in the early 90’s.

Roy’s early fights were televised.

A 36 year old Floyd would have known exactly who Roy was at 21 and 22.

Floyd would never have fought him.

An aged WW would never have fought or beaten a young MW with Roy’s gifts.

He wouldn’t even let Canelo weigh-in at 154.

You are living in an absolute fantasy.

You are completely deluded.

Floyd would have had nothing for a 22 year old version of Roy.

Sort yourself out.

 

Well there you go then, if he wouldn't have fought him I don't have to waste time discussing it with you do I not.

Thanks for the debate you silly twat.

 

An easy get out clause for you.

You’re an absolute joker.

Your only argument, is that Floyd was the P4P no.1 fighter in the world, whereas Roy was inexperienced and not yet a world champion. That is the only thing that you have focused on. And that’s because you are completely ignorant.

You have tried to debate on statistics, without having given any thought to how the fight would logically have played out.

A 36 year old, 150 pound version of Floyd with hand issues, against a 22 year old MW, who was significantly bigger, stronger and more powerful, and who possessed equal speed with a highly unorthodox style?

A guy who beat Jorge Vaca in a single round, and who’d have had zero respect for Floyd’s offence?

It doesn’t take a lot of working out does it.

Wake up and apply some logic for once.

Floyd couldn’t have outboxed or outfought that version of Roy.

He’d have gone into a defensive shell.

Roy wouldn’t have waited on him like Canelo did. He’d have gone straight at Floyd. Floyd wasn’t even a JMW.

Of course, on a P4P basis, Floyd was on another level. But he could never have beaten Roy in a H2H fight.

You are dreaming.

Where they were ranked at the time is completely and utterly irrelevant to a H2H debate.

 

It's not a get out clause, you're the one who said it would never happen.

 

As I have said in the past HBO had 2 positions on Jones. Their was their public position and their private position. Publicy they always took his side especially in the late 90's, but behind close doors they blamed him for the fights not happening.

From 95-02 Jones only paid 3 opponents over 1m. That was Griffin II, Virgil Hill and Woods

Jones was deperate for a rematch with Griffin, so he had no choice but to pay Griffin purse parity
The Hill fight was put on at short notice (more on this later), so Hill had a strong negotiating position
Jones lost the purse bid to Woods promoter

So of the three fights he was forced to pay more than 1m for at least 2 of them. So the idea he freely offered Liles 1m is unlikely, especially when you take into account the very next year he would only offer Nunn 300k (90-10). This offer was rejected and in the purse bid Jones only offered Nunn something like 325k (88-12). A guy like this does not freely offer opponents 1m.

As I told you in the past O'Halloran is not honest. He parted ways with Liles back in June 96. Months before the pre fight Brannon talk

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-5608776.html

Freddie Roach says it was Jones that stopped the fight from happening

https://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=raskin_eric&id=3485164
And Seth Abraham said it was Jones made no real effort to make the big fights happen at smw.

https://hannibalboxing.com/fabulous-times-the-frankie-liles-story/

No one should be surprised by this. Jones regularly paid his opponents 90-10 purse splits in his favour. Just look at the Nunn negotiations for an example and that was a fight HBO desperately wanted. Or even worse look at the deal he made with Ruiz.

 

Jones time on HBO can be divided up into 4 terms

1: Byrd - Hill
He was paid a 3m license fee during this time
2: De Valle - Harding
3m license fee
3: Harmon - Tarver I
5m license fee
4: Tarver II - Tarver III
I think he was paid 5m, but I am not 100% sure

There were exceptions during this time like the Jones-Hill fight. Originally that date was set aside for the Whittaker - Quartey fight, but that fell apart after Whittaker tested positive for cocaine. So HBO asked Jones to take the fight at short notice to fill that slot and that explains why they paid a 5m license for that fight. 2m more than they were contractually obliged to pay him. A similar thing happened with the Lewis-Vitali fight.

 

Dariusz got the go ahead from the WBA that he could unify with the WBO. After he beat Hill he was informed by the WBA that he was not allowed to have the WBO and the WBA belt at the same time. He had to choose one or the other. He chose the WBO so he was forced to vacate the WBA belt

It was out of order for the WBA to do this especially after he would have paid a fee to be allowed to unify. The big three regulary pulled stunts like this back in the 90's in a attempt to freeze out the WBO (they were all in competiton after all)

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Dariusz:+I'll+drop+IBF+title.-a061088644

 

As good as the majority... no. Johnson and Harding belong in the conversation with Woods, Gonzales, and Hall.

Average opposition.

 

Guthrie had actually split with Don King at the start of the year and was now promoted by America Presents, so King was a non-issue.

 

You've already repeatedly spelled out this stuff to Loudunce. In case you haven't noticed, the tragic autistic narcissistic loser is more delusional than ever. Too stupid to comprehend anything that doesn't fit into his fantasy world. Nothing but a useless lying troll. Complete waste of time.

Good luck

 

Let's spell this out once and for all just for the clowns who are still too stupid to understand it;

• The Hill-Michalczewski WBA/IBF-WBO unification bout was originally planned for 5 April, but was postponed to 19 April ("to get an appropriate site" according to IBF president Robert W. Lee).

• On 7 March, a federal judge D*ckinson R. Debevoise of U.S. District Court at Newark, N.M., ruled that the IBF must give its #1 light-heavyweight contender a title shot by 19 July or face a fine because it harmed the fighter by breaking its own rules. Under the ruling, #1 contender William Guthrie had to fight the winner of the 19 April match between IBF champion Virgil Hill and WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski within 90 days of the bout.

• The Hill-Michalczewski bout was then moved again, to 13 June.

• On 10 May, words of IBF president Robert Lee were reported in the press, that the IBF stripped Hill of his title because "we had to follow the order of the court," which had ordered that Guthrie must get an IBF title fight by 19 July. (Sources: The Washington Times, 10 May 10; The Washington Post, 10 May; St. Petersburg Times, 10 May; Houston Chronicle, 11 May, 1997; Denver Rocky Mountain News, 11 May 11, 1997; Los Angeles Daily News, 12 May 12, 1997). The IBF obviously reversed this decision because Hill ultimately entered the ring vs Michalczewski as IBF champion.

• With Michalczewski unable to defend the IBF title approx 36 days after he won it, the title was declared vacant.

...The WBA sanctioned the WBA-IBF-WBO unification bout and collected their customary sanctioning fees. Hence there were no issues. None. Then in an inexplicable U-turn, the WBA immediately stripped the bout's winner Michalczewski for displaying the WBA title alongside his WBO title. They probably spat their dummy out because their own champion conclusively lost.

By the early 2000s the WBA was losing all credibility due to their garbage heavyweight rankings and having "super, "regular", & eventually "interim" titles at the same weights.

...Michalczewski was politically robbed of his WBA & IBF titles. FACT.

 

I guess someone from Team DM did not do their homework

 

Its all good. Some of us are just a bit more protective of their favorite fighters than others.