Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

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  1. mcvey

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  2. mcvey

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    Holyfield fought much better opposition! Lewisx2 Bowe x3 Tysonx2 Moorerx2
    WTF has Vitali got? An old fat Lewis Danny Bloody Williams?FFS!
     
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    Holyfield was schooled in both fights. You clearly don't score the jab or you're a Holyfield fanboy. Holyfield got his head jabbed off all night long except for when Lennox took breaks

    You probably scored rounds to Holyfield when he got outlanded 10-1 but landed a couple of big shots.
     
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    Holyfield lost 2 vs Lewis, 2 vs Bowe, 1 vs Moorer ... and the Tyson he fought was post prison, who I don't rate nearly as high as his pre-prison version.

    If names count so much, then Vitali should have shredded the remains of Holyfield when Evander was begging the Klitschkos for a fight.
     
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    Actually here is a pretty cool video on the topic:

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    That still doesn't answer the question of what good jabbers Vitali beat and what guys did he keep on the outside with the jab..

    Vitali never dominated Lewis at any point and Lewis landed far more powerful jabs at a higher connect percentage. 43% -32%

    A couple of times Vitali was staggered by the jabs of Lewis. And if he really dominated with the jab , his face wouldn't have looked like a butchers bin after 5 rounds. Simple fact is Vitali couldn't keep a lumbering Lewis off him. That is the reality. His jab simply wasn't that good.
    He threw it low and threw it off balance. His jab could be countered with a good right hand over the top. .
    You can see here how he was throwing his arms around with no rhythm or coordination. Foremans jab was relentless , accurate and thudding. . It certainly was harder to deal with than Vitali's jab.

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  7. Mendoza

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    liar, liar. Never said such a thing.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Stop with the bad information.

    Lewis himself had a great jab.

    In rounds 1-5 Vitali landed more power punches. Round 6 Lennox landed more
    power punches 10-8. (Hardly the sudden rise in power punches that Lennox
    fans have been claiming).

    As for jabs round 3 was even at 17 jabs landed each. In the other 5
    rounds Vitali landed more jabs. Got that Dino?

    So...let's see, Klitschko threw more punches in every round (by far). In
    rounds 1,2, 4 and 5 Vitali landed more jabs and more power punches.

    There is no round that shows Lennox controlling in either punch volume or
    apreciable punches landed.

    Here's what Dino is missing:

    Total jabs landed, Vitali 77. Lewis 52
    Total power punches landed, Vitali 79. Lewis 50
    Total punches landed. Vitali 156 , Lewis 102

    No man ever out jabbed Vitali in any of his 47 pro fights.

     
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  9. Mendoza

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    My point too, he's known for losing. In these fight his record should be 4-5 with one win coming fro an early DQ. Now add in 1-1-1 vs Ruiz if you please to make it 5-6-1. If you want, add in Toney and make it 5-7-1 :ibutt
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    Blade: I am talking about the second Holyfield - Lewis fight. if you think that one was 9-3 Lewis, you have no clue how to score a fight.Are you saying a Lewis was not properly trained for the biggest fight of his career against Holyfield? Come on.
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  11. dinovelvet

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    Vitali had to throw an extra 120 jabs just to land 25 more than Lewis. 120!!! lol.. That shows how inaccurate he was..No bad information posted by me. . Its a fact Lewis landed with a much higher connect percentage. His jabs were harder and were more accurate.
    Vitali threw flailing arm punches.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    LOL, More like you are looking worse and worse. You never showed me he re-match clause I asked for, and are lamely trying to say I didn't disprove it. Wow. You use misleading data when mine crushed yours. This isn't a debate, its comedy hour.

    If you want to talk matches is clear the Lewis ran from it.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Landing more is what counts. Lewis could not keep up with the pace. Vitali threw more landed more ( both power and jab ) and won 4 of 6 rounds on all three cards.

    As for Lewis, let's quote him! While reflecting on the fight 15 years later, Lewis stated that Klitschko was the most difficult opponent he ever faced. No mention of Holyfield! RE-read that again.
     
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    Holyfield was a top 3 P4P level fighter. . Vitali never came close to a top 20 P4P list. .
     
  15. Man_Machine

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    Let me put it to you another way...

    ...Lewis was there for the taking that night. He wasn't taken.


    And so Vitali rightly should have been, but that doesn't change the fact that the tide was turning; that Vitali was becoming less and less effective; that his punches had no snap left in them.

    Like I said, Year-for-Year, Lewis was doing better, by the end of round-6.


    Holyfield carries the majority of the advantages, though - He has the superior workrate; a superior armory; superior hand speed and punch accuracy; superior foot speed and foot work; a superior inside game; superior reaction times/reflexes; superior counter-punching ability.

    All this and Holyfield has a world-class chin, to boot. So, he's not going anywhere.

    Vitali would not have seen anything like it before. The questions should really be: How would Vitali keep up with Holyfield? How does Vitali keep Holyfield at his preferred range? How would Vitali know what's coming next? How on Earth does Vitali win?
     
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